Hi there, fellow ambo's.
How many times can we be shafted? Ripped off pay wise, ripped off workload wise, under-staffed, over-worked, treated like shit in general by management, not looked after by the State Government, not to mention a piss-weak union.
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«Oldest ‹Older 3801 – 4000 of 5605 Newer› Newest»Rochford is such a top fucking bloke.
Thats why he said no ambo will be worse off this financial year compared to last.
That was just a good bloke looking after the Ambo's right?
Not a calculated Farse hoping that the fucking average dumb ambo buys it!
How can you keep on defending this crazy eyed moron?
Fuck me spider, poke yourself in one of your eyes for me.
Anonymous,
I didn’t think Rochford represented us at the IRC? You obviously seem to think so. HSU represented us, and accepted without protest want the IRC dished out. Also remember uniformed management got the big pay increase not us. I didn’t hear HSU protest about that either. Uniformed management got 3 or 4 times what your average baggy arsed ambo got. What ambos lost paid for what uniformed management gained. Have a look at all the documents and see for yourself.
Also not long after the wage case HSU approached the service and requested discussions about a Morphine allowance for P1’s. The service pretty much said why should we even consider it when most P1’s are already using it. Remember the service has a budget just like any other business. The thing was some sub-branches banned morphine use by their members, some sub-branches left it up to the each member to decide and some sub-branches new nothing. How can you go to the bargaining table when you have half your members doing one thing and the other half doing another. Where is your credibility?
Rochford has offered to pay officers compensation if their yearly earnings are less than normal after the wage case. Why would he do that? Why would he consider paying us compensation?. How many company CEO’s would even consider doing that for their workers? He did it because he knows we got done over big time at the IRC and he probably feels sorry for us.
Most of you got what you deserve because you’re too stupid to see what’s going on with management in your own union.
You have been sucked in bigtime, and lost!!!!
SPIDER
You don't get it do you spider?
He offered us compensation because he done the maths.
NO ONE will be able to claim.
Felt sorry for us!
You have got to be the biggest fuckwit out there.
Power tends to corrupt only if you have corrupt fuckers in power.
I agree with you spider... its the HSU and the senior uniformed managers that REALLY run it that have fucked us not Rochdord !
I no longer have any hope for the ambos of NSW after hearing comments like " i think i'll wait and see what the new assocation do before i join " !!!!
etc etc etc ...
This is a chance for you to strike back, to take back everything those corrupt bastards have taken from us !!! and you want to wait and see what THEY (EMSPA) ... are going to do !!
I spoke to five people today that have whinged constantly to me about the corrupt HSU blaH blah blah ... but when I asked them when they put their membership forms in to EMSPA, you know what they all said.... AH.. YEH ... I GOT TO GET ONTO THAT REAL SOON ???????
FUCK WE DESERVE EVERYTHING WE GET WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS AROUND ????
SHAME SHAME SHAME !!
My dear Spider and in part Anonymous AKA Darryn Hinch (SHAME SHAME SHAME).
I cannot believe someone could be such a fuckwit, or to put it in your terms a nitwit. Spider, Spider, Spider. What are we going to do with you? You continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on.
RE: I didn’t think Roachford represented us at the IRC? You obviously seem to think so. HSU represented us, and accepted without protest want the IRC dished out.
You are so thick Spider. Of course the HSU represented us. They were defeated by Roachford’s directions, despite their protests, to eliminate meal penalties and minimise wage increases.
RE: Also remember uniformed management got the big pay increase not us. I didn’t hear HSU protest about that either. Uniformed management got 3 or 4 times what your average baggy arsed ambo got. What ambos lost paid for what uniformed management gained. Have a look at all the documents and see for yourself.
Yep. Roachford lost big time there didn’t he Spider and that pisses you right off. Is that why you pick on managers? Too bad that the IRC saw the need to proportionately allocate salary increases in accordance with “supposed” responsibilities.
I am only guessing that was the case because I really don’t know.
Many could never understand why station officers and district officers earnt only a few dollars over and above ambo 2/7 base wages.
Yes not a good look for the average ambo who I honestly believe does deserve more than the poultry 8% they got. You need not complain but Spider. You picked up meal penalties and still get your on call overtime!!!
RE: Also not long after the wage case HSU approached the service and requested discussions about a Morphine allowance for P1’s. The service pretty much said why we should even consider it when most P1’s are already using it. Remember the service has a budget just like any other business. The thing was some sub-branches banned morphine use by their members, some sub-branches left it up to the each member to decide and some sub-branches new nothing. How can you go to the bargaining table when you have half your members doing one thing and the other half doing another. Where is your credibility?
Where’s your credibility Spider. Why do you continue to speak such dribble. I actually feel embarrassed for you now you intellectual deficient. This statement proves once again that you are without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and has no idea of what really goes on. Of course the Service rejected payment for morphine. Who runs the service Spider? Roachford you fuckwit, oh sorry, nitwit!!
RE: Roachford has offered to pay officers compensation if their yearly earnings are less than normal after the wage case. Why would he do that? Why would he consider paying us compensation?. How many company CEO’s would even consider doing that for their workers? He did it because he knows we got done over big time at the IRC and he probably feels sorry for us.
Oh here we go again. Why do you continue to embarrass yourself like this? I would have presumed you could read although I have said previously that you obviously don’t take any notice of what is written on this blog. For your benefit, and I truly do apologise to everyone else that has to read this once again because Spider’s mental deficiency just cant seem to get it...
Roachford’s most recent scam telling paramedics that they can apply for a salary review if their 2008-09 salary is below the previous financial year has obviously slipped past your feeble little mind Spider. But you believe him don’t you Spider.
The fact that every paramedic has received at least an additional 8%, and have had meal penalties for 9 months of the current financial year, will see each and every one earn more than the previous year. But what does this mean little Spider?
I will spell it out for you because you have absolutely no fucking idea. Paramedics in Sydney will be no better off because the little increase they will receive over last financial year means in real terms they are definitely worse off overall.
The first pay after Roachfords killing off meal penalties have paramedics already seeing huge reductions in their pay. This is where the real loss in salary begins.
Most paramedics in Sydney probably don’t fully appreciate that they will earn less next financial year compared to this current year.
Paramedics in Sydney deserve so much more that the deal they are stuck with now. They are flogged every day and rarely get any down time at station. Not like you eh little Spider?
Do you get it now Spider? Let me know if you don’t and I can repeat it as many times as you like fuckwit!
RE: Most of you got what you deserve because you’re too stupid to see what’s going on with management in your own union. You have been sucked in big time, and lost!!!!
Yep that is right isn’t it Spider. The management and HSU sought to screw everyone over and Roachford’s plan to give us all milk and honey was defeated.
As I have said before Spider, you continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
My opinion of you hasn’t changed. In case you weren’t aware I feel obliged once again to inform you that you are suffering a condition called profound mental retardation.
I implore you to go and get some help for yourself you sick crazy bastard.
Anonymouse,
Maybe it’s just me but I just can’t understand your blogs or the point you are trying to make. You don’t seem to be able to express yourself very well in writing. Try again nitwit.
Sorry.
SPIDER
someone has to no who spider is, spill it?
Hey spider .... had a few ambo mates around for dinner last night and ALL of them are in support of you and would dearly love to buy you a beer !
Hey just read that blog above your last one... ha ha ha ... how long do you think it is going to be before he strokes out ???? i bet his diastolic blood pressure is higher than yours and mine systolic added together !
Mate ... he is going to bag out this blog as you answering yourself for sure, but you and I will know this is not true ... keep up the good work spider, we will overcome and those corrupt managers in the HSU of which he is no doubtedly one, will eventually be made to pay the piper !
Take care buddy ... and until these bullys are eradicated and we can blog under our own names without fear of being harressed in the job i wish you all the best.
WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR ?????????
Upon confirmation of membership, Paramedics in NSW will have full legal coverage for all work related matters in the event that legal advice is required. The legal team who currently represent Paramedics interstate have a 100% success rate including Supreme Court victory. It is often the case that when this association intervenes in work related matters further legal representation is not even required. The interstate association have had more success in effecting workplace changes for the benefit of their employees, than they did with their previous union.
Let me guess.... you will all get around to it real soon.... ?
Munchaussen's
Thats what you fuckwit ambo's have got.
You thrive on being treated like you are.
Otherwise you would UNITE and stop this fucking sham the service and HSU have put upon you.
Fuck me
What sort of UNION lets there members work an hour for NOTHING.
I have rang all the other Unions in this great country and told them what the HSU has done.
They are absolutey dumb founded.
I think Williamson is in for it at the next big National Union get together.
Unite you stale fuckers
EMPSA is our only hope to stop the cycle.
Sick of hearing about the mighty EMSPA and what they will do.
What are they doing about getting the 4x5 in Sydney?
Currently about to be shafted, EMSPA getting everyones money and being real quiet. Sooner or later they gotta do something or they will get the same reputation as HSU. Soon as they accepted money they needed to be prepared to act. Sydney getting fucked NOW by the rosters and working 14hrs paid for 13hrs, whats their plan apart from self promotion.
Spider you are a dickhead.
AGAIN ? TOMORROW?
FULL BENCH
Court 3.3 - Level 3
2:00pm Compulsory Conference
IRC9/398 - Dispute HSU & Ambulance Serv & anor re transition to new
roster arrangements
Give me a fucken break out on the lawn fuck the three stooges
Re the 4x5 in Sydney, you really are in a bit of a bind, there are a number of delegates that are pressing on for the 4x4 contrary to their sub branches beliefs however, when originally put to the IRC by the service it was a 4x5 but this wont save Greg as much money there by reducing his performance bonus so it looks like full steam ahead for the 4x4.
Now that most of the damage has been done and staff across the Sydney Central Coast have been given a pay reduction of some $7000.00-$10,000,00 Greg will leave in early may his farewell will be held in a phone box in Oxford St Sydney
RE:.... Anonymous said...
Sick of hearing about the mighty EMSPA and what they will do.
Get with the program knucklehead !!! they have been active for about " 2 fucking weeks " they are still counting membership forms and formulating how things will be run.
As for asking what they are doing... I have a question for you " have you posted off your forms and transfered the $5 yet " ??? and if not, why not. Have you encouraged others on your station to do the same. Have you contacted EMSPA and asked if there is anything you can help them with ???
I bet the answer to all the above is NO !!
Like the rest of the fence sitters out there, they expect EMSPA to wave a magic wand and put right years of HSU ineptitude and corruption in the first week !
News flash for you buddy... it wont happen like that, EMSPA first needs 1,000 signed up members which it will get but its up to all of you out there to get off your arses and send in those forms.
Once this has happened, I can assure you that you will see EMSPA making serious changes in our conditions.
Anonymous March 26, 2009 12:25 PM
Thanks for your comments and I would love to accept that beer from all of you. Your right about Anonymouse he might stroke out at this rate. If he gets more insane his head is going to spin off his body as it spits out nasty green stuff everywhere.
And to the Anonymouse who wants to know what EMPSA is doing about getting the 4x5 in Sydney. EMPSA have been up and running for less than a month and I wouldn’t expect they would have the numbers yet to represent us in award negotiations at the IRC. Go to their website and this is all explained there.
HSU are currently representing us with these sort of award matters at the IRC. They have been doing so for over 30 years. Common sense would dictate that you should ask them!!!
SPIDER
Mate I totally!!! agree with you.
That guys probably a HSU delegate.
EMSPA can only be effective if some of these whingers actually get off their arses and join, rather than just talk about it.
No wonder the HSU has been able to screw us over for so many years when you have so many apathetic ambos.
NSW Department of Premier and Cabinet, Performance Review: Ambulance Service of NSW, June 2008
The Committee was told that some managers are inept and uncaring, that they ignore staff problems and Ambulance Service policies, and that they care more about budgets and performance indicators than they do about their employees. This has been one of the key factors contributing to the problems existing in the Service’s management today.
Concerns about the way ambulance officers are managed are not new: the Service has known for at least eight years through Auditor General reports, culture and attrition surveys, and more recently the Performance Review – Ambulance Service of NSW, that many ambulance officers are extremely unhappy about their workplaces and managers.
And still it goes on and nobody does anything. The service knows who these people are are but does nothing. They are just as bad as the bullies and harassers. Shame!!!
Spider,
I dont think anyone should ask the HSU for anythink !
It took the HSU 5 yrs to get us a pay rise,and all they got us was shitty rosters,less money,conditions that were around 40yrs ago,and they expect us to support them.
Where have you been for the last 5 yrs Spider,up Rochfords arse by the sounds of it.To blind to find your way out of a tunnel !!!
They even agreed to add the 2.5% state increase to our award to make it look better,just so they didnt have to go back and ask for more.
We were the only state employees who didnt challenge the 2.5%,all others laught at the Government,,,but no not us,,,we like to take the moral highground.
And Oh it feels so fucken good too,Spider.
If you are not some sort of manager,or Rochfords "little boy"Ill eat my hat !!!
You are so far up this svcs arse,its just not funny anymore.
I will be so glad when the Empsa is fully operational,we will finally get rid of idiots like you.
Spider. Can't understand what I am saying? And to think I just really thought you were stupid.
You once again have just proven without any doubt you are an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on.
Stop complimenting yourself on this blog and go have a beer with yourself you desperate mental retard.
Standby you poor Sydney ambos. Wait till you see what Roachford has planned for you and your rosters.
I better go and have a lie down now my blood pressure is playing up. Oh no my head is spinning and green shit is spraying everywhere!!! LOL
I didn't know mental retards were supposed to be that funny. Your total ignorance cracks me up.
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Anonymouses,
Gee Wiz, what allot of potty talk. You guys have positively no credibility when you keep on writing obscenities like that on this blog. Do you believe they make your arguments, if you can call them that, more valid or stronger? Take a good look at yourselves in your bathroom mirrors then wash your filthy little mouths out at once.
Make haste my little Nitwits.
And don’t come back here until you redeem yourselves!
SPIDER
Sider.
go shit in a medication bag and post it to yourself
LONG LIVE THE TURD IN THE BAG
Fucken Mint!
The TURD is back, Hoor ra hoo ra hoo ra
WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR ?????????
Upon confirmation of membership, Paramedics in NSW will have full legal coverage for all work related matters in the event that legal advice is required. The legal team who currently represent Paramedics interstate have a 100% success rate including Supreme Court victory. It is often the case that when this association intervenes in work related matters further legal representation is not even required. The interstate association have had more success in effecting workplace changes for the benefit of their employees, than they did with their previous union.
Let me guess.... you will all get around to it real soon.... ?
Workplace Bullying – In a Nutshell.
The more we learn and understand about workplace bullying, the clearer it
becomes that it is the deliberate repeated, hurtful verbal, physical, emotional,
economic and spiritual mistreatment of workers. This definition also describes
family violence and the way power and control is used by perpetrators who abuse family members. Bullying is associated with autocratic management styles, divisiveness and ' punishment for no obvious reason' , and with a negative work climate, high workload and unsatisfactory relationships at work.
Everyone join the new association and put a stop to this once and for all.
http://nsw.emspa.org.au/
I agree, join EMSPA and play an active part in fighting these clowns and what they have done!!! Show them that we will not tolerate this crap any longer.
There appears to be an awful lot of verbal aggression towards people who are not sold on EMSPA. Gee that almost sounds a bit like bullying, I thought they were going to stamp that out.
To the above poster,
People are tired of being treated as they have been, surely you know that. Bullying, loss of conditions, career paths gone and now a pay cut. Talk about the fire brigade taking the best part of our job, has front line staff morale on a downhill slide. You may interpret these posts as aggression, I interpret them as Ambo's who want to make a difference and are urging people to UNIFY the only way they can think of. Stand next to your brothers and sisters and fight for each other.
The 1st step to stamping out bullying is for the perpertrator/s
to be aware that they are infact carrying out such behaviour.
Let people make the decision for themselves, stop trying to intimidate!
I don't think anybody's trying to intimidate. People are stating their opinions and trying to rally support for the betterment of front line Ambo's. I think somebody's making something out of nothing. If you are intimidated by someone urging/asking for help and support, that worries me in more ways than one. Nobody is trying to force anybody to do anything, people are posting here trying to make things better, and get us all working together for "a common good for all Ambo's". Others seem to be playing games and are only interested in making useless, unhelpful even damaging comments. Others seem confused and don't know what to do. One thing is certain (and this is an opinion, nothing else!) we need to stand and fight together.
Urging people to stand together is "Bullying" is it. GROW UP and stop posting such ridiculous tripe.
I can assure you that if EMSPA collapses due to insufficient support then you will well and truly know what bullying is, when our management know that they can do whatever they want and their will be NO ONE to put a stop to it.
4x5 in thank fuck
Good work HSU
What do you mean 4x5 is in? I was told that Rochford sent out a notice today saying we were going to the 4x4 rosters next week? Is this true? What happened?
For all the Roach supporters, i hope your choking on your words. If i recall it was HSU and not the Roach to blame for the recent Award changes, am i right.
Too fuckin right i am because all you have to do is read todays proceedings as to how quickly the Roach was trying to push the 4 by 4 roster against the approval of the IRC. AND FUCK ME, WE WON.
Lets hope now a Royal Commission can investigate the corrupt dealings of the ASNSW and it's management. I know ICAC have heaps on the Roach and various Sector managers from Sydney to the Central Coast.
I never thought i would say thank you to the HSU but for once that $21 is money well spent.
I hope the Roach has chest pain tonight , that would be sweet.
Seems like the HSU is still there fighting for the ambos today at the IRC despite the mass exodus. I heard that Rochford was criticized by the full bench today. Can anyone fill us in? I was also told that the EMPSA will have no standing down the IRC and wont be able to represent ambos when HSU still have coverage of the award.
I don’t know what to think anymore but I am sure happy that the modified 4x4 roster is out and the new 4x5 rosters are in. I hope that is the case anyway because the other rosters did not address fatigue and more loss of earnings. I think we need to be careful burning too many bridges before we really know what the EMPSA can do for us. I just don’t know anymore.
Come out come out wherever you are Spider! Where is your credibility now Spider? Up that creek without a paddle it seems!!
Its great that the HSU got the 4x5s in,,,,but that still wont be untill 2 may 09.so why not pay us our meals and COs untill then.The svc has not followed any of the new award,only crib breaks and even that is a farce.
The HSU should of pushed the envelope abit today,and demanded the penalitys back.
The svc wont be able to implement the 4x5s anyway,they dont have enough staff,and wont, with ambos leaving by the droves.
So what happens come may 09?when there is no rosters or rosters that will have to be filled with overtime?
I suppose on our 5 days off we will be able to work plenty of overtime.
sweet! !!!!!!!!!!!!
I just cant continue this fight anymore. My house will have to go and the child support will have to stop. Sorry kids I did all I could.
you don't need standing in the IRC you pathetic pea hearts.
All you need is unity.
Think about this fuckwits.
Some poor baggy arse ambo gets shit on by management.
3000 of his association brothers say fuck this and put a stink on.
The service can't go running to the IRC because our association has no standing
So who do they have to crawl to numb fucks?
Thats right, the association.
Unity you brain dead fucking morons.
Thats all that counts.
One in all in.
But you wouldn't know because you are all selfish fuckers looking after number one.
Go fist and felch yourselves you inept bunch of rim lickers.
The TURD in the bag is the only one that has my respect.
And the legend that put a yellow spine on rumbles porch.
Fuck the lot of you.
I hope you end up with a 6 X 2 or 100 X 1 roster you frigg'n sperm gargiling twits.
sorry if that all sounded strange, I really tried to be abusive as I could.
Fucken CUNTS.
where is my fucken beer gone.
the 4x5 roster is not a win people.
Its what the service offered us. Its what they advertise to new recruits.
I need my $600 a fortnight back!
Hahahahaha is this you Ragweed ya big cunt. LOL. Best laugh I have had in ages.
"Fuck the lot of you.
I hope you end up with a 6 X 2 or 100 X 1 roster you frigg'n sperm gargiling twits.
sorry if that all sounded strange, I really tried to be abusive as I could.
Fucken CUNTS.
where is my fucken beer gone."
I would bet you a years wages that if that was you or me we would be up in front of the PSCU now and no amount of explaining would get us off the hook.
All Ambulance
There is currently a brochure circulating that features the sales success of Century 21 Real Estate at Kellyville. On the reverse side of that brochure there is an endorsement from Mike and Jenny Willis commending the company on their standard of service. This endorsement was given by Mike and Jenny as members of the public and not as employees of the Ambulance Service of NSW. Unfortunately, and much to the dismay of Mike and Jenny, someone in the Century 21 organisation acted in a totally illegal and unprofessional manner and applied the Ambulance Service logo to Mike & Jenny’s personal letter of endorsement.
Century 21 has been reprimanded by the Ambulance for their unlawful use of the Ambulance Service of NSW intellectual property (Ambulance logo). The company has since apologised to the Ambulance Service for the illegal use of the Ambulance Service logo and recalled the brochure from further distribution. Century 21, Kellyville has also issued a sincere and profound apology to Mike and Jenny for the embarrassment they have caused them by using their personal letter of endorsement in a manner for which it was not intended.
This unlawful incident has breached Ambulance Service media policy and caused a great deal of embarrassment to Mike and Jenny Willis.
Get ya hand off it Millevoi.
Dear Mr Rochford
I wish to inform of my high regard I have towards the group of individuals assigned to the rollout and progress of the Management Development Program and the admirable dedication they have to the project and to the officers undertaking the course.
I was selected as the uniform representative on the working group from the beginning of the concept and have worked closely with the Learning and Development Group at Rozelle and also representatives of the Australian Institute of Management. At all times I have found this group of people to be receptive of ideas and ways to make the course more relevant to Ambulance needs. This is shown by the group currently working on version "26" of the Ambulance Management Program.
The Learning and Development Team especially and the AIMs Team have also been working tirelessly to ensure that the students of Ambulance Management Qualification (AMQ) are fully supported to enable the officers to enjoy and complete the course successfully.
Thanking you for the opportunity of working with such a dedicated group of people. Could you also please convey my thanks from the officers currently undertaking the AMQ course.
Members of the Learning Development Team are Peter Blatch, Jacqueline Barker, Amanda Crammon and Ameliaranne Michell.
John Millevoi
District Manager, South Sydney Sector
your right about that brother.
Anyone else put the ambo logo on a real estate pamphlet and we would be gone.
And how was the severe reprimand the real estate got.
That must of had them quivering in their boots.
fucken Millevoi is a classic example of the brown nosing lower management that would sell their mother to suck gregs cock.
I would like to see you fuckers work more days on than off too.
You are all gutless and selfish piss ants.
Who else would work an hour a day for free and take an average of $500 a fortnight pay cut.
Dumb fucken brain dead ambo's and their think a bessa brick union.
bbbbbboobb Mooooorrggaaaaannn you stuttering, bumbling, pathetic fucken useless.
Go and lick mike's bum juice of greg's stalk.
That last poster needs help.
See how the post started off nice and calm and then starts going berko.
Yet another brother mentally tainted by the Service.
Hang in there
Anyone who has been around long enough to see the things we see and to see the way the svc supports us need help. Let me tell you as long as you sign on each day that is all they care about. Anything that happens other than that they don't want to know. If you go off sick for any length of time you won't even hear from them. It is only when you come back to work they will carpet you. They don't give a shit about any of us. Don't be fooled by that. Just look after yourself and your brother/sister beside you and we will get through this together.
Anonymous last poster,
Re: They don't give a shit about any of us
Well said brother. Isn’t that the truth. Like you I have been in for nearly 24 years and have seen what they do to those who speak out. For me the job has always been about the patients. Genuine compassion and support when a fellow human being is at their most vulnerable for whatever reason. Most of us will never take what we do for granted.
In contrast SOME of the people who have been tasked to administer and support us don’t. Some of our managers are basically data entry clerks with no real interest in the welfare of their staff. Some managers do care but if they are seen to be “too soft” they are ostracized and bullied themselves. The Christine Hodder case was a perfect example. What shame this case has brought to our wonderful service.
If you see someone being bullied, harassed or treated unfairly by management or others say something. Make people aware, do it in a mature and constructive manner and they can’t touch you. The only reason they get away with it is because very few have the courage to speak up.
I would rather speak up than live with the thought that I somehow contributed to a workmates suicide because I was too afraid to say something.
SPIDER
What i can tell you is, that i know of a small number of Ambos who have employed the services of legal team who will serve court proceedings on the ASNSW in relation to the current award conditions and loss of financial income. I know that investigations are currently being undertaken with a law suit likely.
Stay tune.
They don't care about patients either. They only care about budgets and that goes for the State Govt as well. When they speak up about patient welfare etc it is all a crock of shit. Do you think Della Bosca goes home at night and lays awake wondering how he can make things better or the patients or the Roach or that empire builder Pritchard or suckole Millevoi. Not on your life. Then when we get sick ourselves be it physically or mentally who do we turn to. There is nobody. Hell the svc doesn;t even recognise mental illness as a sickness when it comes to us but they spend thousands telling us how to deal with it in the community. They are a sad fucking joke.
There you go .... the four by five roster is in !!
What did i tell you all weeks ago. The HSU is haemorrhaging members at the rate of about 50 a week now and this was there last chance with senior uniformed management to shaw up the leaking wounds. Management know that if the HSU goes and EMSPA takes over, they have lost their clout !! they will no longer be able to bully us and the boys club will be dead for ever !
They have engineered this together as a savior of their control.
The latest service bulletin states: How does this equate to a 4x5 roster?
In accordance with the Award requirements, Ambulance will now post new rosters for the Sydney Division.
The rosters will be based on the most recent proposal which was subject to the consultative process and
provides for:
> A core roster of 12 hour shifts worked in a similar pattern to the existing 4x4 roster;
> Additional time off to give an average 38 hour week, to be taken in conjunction with annual leave
entitlements, resulting in two five week blocks of leave each year; and
> Capacity for variations to the core roster to allow for individual employees’ circumstances.
NSW Department of Premier and Cabinet, Performance Review: Ambulance Service of NSW, June 2008
The Committee was told that some managers are inept and uncaring, that they ignore staff problems and Ambulance Service policies, and that they care more about budgets and performance indicators than they do about their employees. This has been one of the key factors contributing to the problems existing in the Service’s management today.
How fucking DUMB is Della-bosca.
Have a listen to this
http://2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_podcasting&task=playaudio&id=4&f=16
Yeah he is dumb but....how bad was the co-ord room to not dispatch the closest car. In my day in the old control room we would have been crucified if we had done that. What has changed? Money? I remember many years ago going home on call and hearing of an explosion nearby. I was told NOT to attend even though they were sending a car 15 minutes behind me. I told them I WAS going and that to tell the supervisor I would do the job for free. When I got there there were 2 patients with severe burns and across the road was the off duty DO living at the ambulance station and I found out later he knew nothing about the job either. I complained. It was squashed. I was an outcast ever since.
How bad is it when the "Health Minister" still calls us "driver's". No respect. No idea.
He called us drivers because that's what they want us to be. We will drive the ambulances and the Firey's will treat in the back.
to the blogger
28/3/09 8:14am
there are some ambos here on the central coast who are doing the same.
its time it went to the IRC,,,so for the bloggers that say EMSPA cant rep us in the IRC,,,well i have news for you.
Some baggy arse ambos are going themselves about loss of wages,,,
so your advice is wrong about the new association,,,,anyone with an issue can go to the IRC,,,,for around $80.00 is all it costs.
So i suggest you all go to the IRC and complain about loss of money,,,its your right as a worker and dont let anyone tell you differently.
What a farce it would be if Fireys were doing the job of a Paramedic. The Fireys where I work tell me they want a good working relationship with Ambo's. I've always trusted that and wanted the same. Now they willingly take rescue, there is rumours that they will take the whole job, or a least the part that gives us the most job satisfaction. How is this promoting a good working relationship? Are they lying to my face? The day a firey is treating my Nan when she is having an MI, over me or one of my trusted brothers or sisters, sadly is the day I punch a firey in the face. Is it not enough to put out fires? Actually, I'm pretty sure that's what most Fireys want to do, but there seem to be some that just want to be hero's. There is alot more to being a Paramedic than being the hero. Surely these firey's can show us that they are real men and don't move in on us when we are down. If the rumours are true, to show some scruples and do your own job or if you want to be a real Paramedic that badly, join the Ambulance Service and fight for us.
I am sure the fireys in the job right now have no interest in doing what we do. Most of the ones I know can't wait for us to get there so they can walk away and get back to holding their hoses. If they wanted to be us they would have joined the ambulance instead. As someone else said why would they suddenly want to start actually working 12 hours a day rather than sitting around polishing their trucks or watching TV or pumping iron so they can look good for the next FF calendar. Hell they would probablylose their gym equipement because as we know 'ambulance' don't encourage is to stay fit by letting us have any gym stuff on station. But that doesn't mean that that Commissioner what's his name doesn't want it. He is an empire builder like the Roach hence him snapping rescue when it was offered but I think that it is probably management trying to stir up trouble and discontent. They are bloody good at that as we know.
If anything, it just strengthens my desire to bring back the "to become a world leader in Ambulance service..." to our vision. We SHOULD be the "world leaders" in our field. We should show the world how it is done. We should be at every event in NSW as the primary medical (AKA pre-hospital)care provider. I think what is happening at the moment is an opportunity to get the ball rolling. Improved conditions means attracting more staff, better training, better stations, uniforms, equipment, protocols, I could go on. An internationally recognized degree in pre-hospital care. The ability to work anywhere in the world an be recognized as a quality operator. We could bring back rescue and show the world that this is the way it SHOULD be done, because "every rescue involves a patient". We should have more varied and exciting career paths for Paramedics. I was told New Zealand, our so called poor cousin, makes great use of helicopters in rural settings. Wouldn't that be a great incentive to go bush? Surely others can think of more. These are my suggestions, I just hope it gets people motivated towards fighting for these kinds of improvements and getting more involved in forwarding our careers.
"I think what is happening at the moment is an opportunity to get the ball rolling. Improved conditions means attracting more staff, better training, better stations, uniforms, equipment, protocols,"
My friend we had all that once and more and for one reason or another,in the case of uniforms it was a trade off via the union for a pay rise, we lost the lot. I remember when Summer Hill station was rebuilt, it was beautiful, Bankstown was the diamond in the rough, what happened to them.Oh yeah thats right in the case of Bankstown we sold them and so now we don't care what it looks like we aren't spending OUR money on it. The uniforms are a total joke. The summer shirts don't breathe. they keep the sweat IN. We had a great chance to finally have a top uniform and we blew it. Big time..It will be 20 years before we get another chance if ever. I have a jumpsuit here that would not fit anyone let alone me. I was told to have it modified. I got a quote to modify it to fit...$400!!!! Sorry mate but I am afraid you are dreaming if you think we will ever have a service we can be proud of in this lifetime.
Sounds like something someone would say to "stir up trouble and discontent", or perpetuate apathy. Sorry if you are not, but comments like that are exactly the reason we are in the mess we are in. Don't make excuses not to build it, just start building. We deserve it and the public deserves it. When you are of frail age and in dire need of an Ambulance, who do you want helping you, the "worlds best" or two teenagers barely out of school, who should be working in Maccas or Woolworths.
Maybe a couple of young chickies
yes young girls.
And imagine if they did a TURD in a bag for you.
Now your talking
SCAT LOVER
Grow up
I don't know any real ambo's who would be as disgusting as these people. This is the problem with a public blog such as this.
Anonymous,
You’re right about that. Comments like that are not made by real ambos. It’s just an attempt to bring the reputation of this blogsite down. If in fact the comments were made by an ambo it just proves the point why the PSCU and Rochford were appointed in the first place. We don’t need people like that in our service.
As for the Health Ministers interview with Ray Hadley. I think he would have been better to say there was an error in judgement made, we have rectified the problem and now our system is much better than it was yesterday. Hadley just made the minister look as though he was trying to cover something up. At one stage Hadley even called the minister a spindoctor which I expect was exactly what everyone was thinking who was listening.
SPIDER
NSW govt to inject $485m into health
March 30, 2009 - 4:29PM
The NSW government has pledged to spend almost half a billion dollars over four years on the state's troubled health system, after taking up almost all the recommendations in a wide-ranging report.
A major part of the $485 million outlay will be $176 million for 500 ward-based clinical support officers, to allow doctors and nurses to focus more effectively on patient care.
The spending promise was made on Monday as part of the government's response to the Garling review of health services in NSW after a 10-month inquiry.
The government accepted all but five of Commissioner Peter Garling's 139 recommendations, but Premier Nathan Rees has stopped short of promising immediate changes.
"There is no silver bullet in delivering health services in NSW or any other jurisdictions around the world," Mr Rees told reporters.
He said the government had to deal with demographic changes, escalating service costs and demand growing at about eight to nine per cent each year.
"What we've done here is make sure that the best available framework for collaboration between the clinical workforce, the administrative workforce and the senior executive service is now in place to put us in the best position to deliver care where needed and where appropriate."
Health Minister John Della Bosca said the government would review every service at every hospital across NSW, following a key recommendation to close emergency departments in eight hospitals across Sydney, Illawarra and Hunter region.
"This action plan takes on every one of Commissioner Garling's recommendations and we set aside both resources and determination to engage with all of them including changes in the emergency departments," Mr Della Bosca said.
"Now obviously every detail of implementation will be pursued in consultation with medical doctors, nurses and relevant allied health staff."
Mr Della Bosca said the government was taking on changes in the way emergency departments were run to ensure patients were seen more quickly.
He said the government had rejected two Garling report recommendations and three needed further consultation.
"Refunding payments for medication for hospital-acquired infection after being discharged is not supported, as it is difficult to determine whether infections are related to breaches of infection control or an inevitable consequence of an injury," Mr Della Bosca said.
"Creation of a non-ambulance trained driver position was also not supported, because it is important to have as many trained paramedics in a vehicle as possible in case of incidents involving multiple patients."
He said clinicians and community representatives had advised the government more consultation was needed over the other three recommendations - birthing services for low-risk procedures, a new children's hospital and requiring paramedics to stay with patients in emergency departments until the start of treatment.
Here we go again
JUSTICE BOLAND, PRESIDENT
Court 4.1 - Level 4
9:30am Report Back
IRC8/314 - Ambulance Serv of NSW Death & Disability Awd - Appln for
varn re definitions
IRC8/331 - Ambulance Serv of NSW Death & Disability (St) Awd - Appln
for varn re cl 11
We have been paying over 12 months for an award that isnt even finalized, Ive noticed that ask greggy hasnt put out any emails re rosters he should have finshed licking his arse and balls by now they are only small the word is on oxford street.
Thanks for the pay cut to greg, della, gilliard (no worker will be worse off)and most importantly the HSU
CRITICALLY ill patients rushed to hospital by ambulance were forced to wait more than one million minutes - 718 days - on trolleys outside the doors of emergency departments last year.
For the first time, The Daily Telegraph can reveal our health system is so congested that only a few per cent of the 271,312 "lights and sirens" cases arriving by ambulance are actually wheeled straight into hospitals.
Confidential figures for off-stretcher waiting times at every NSW public hospital emergency ward show 259,669 patients in the most serious P1 category had to wait for a bed.
P1 category patients include those suffering road accident trauma, stroke, stabbings and other potentially life-threatening cases.
The figures compiled by the NSW Ambulance Service reveal the problem of accessing emergency wards is worst at hospitals in some of the state's burgeoning suburbs.
So how are ambos dealing with delays? By dodging hospitals altogether, it appears. Read more here.
At Gosford Hospital, delays totalled 112,058 minutes in 2006-07 as the grounds outside emergency often became an ambulance parking lot.
But patients trying to get into Royal Prince Alfred also faced agonising waits of a combined 98,399 minutes to get a bed.
The troubled Royal North Shore Hospital, subject of a broad-ranging inquiry late last year, had delays of 62,734 minutes.
The figures can be made public as Health Minister Reba Meagher and Treasurer Michael Costa join state and federal ministers in Brisbane today to discuss how to carve up $150 million to cut waiting lists.
It's the first tranche of hundreds of millions in health funding promised by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during the October election. The off-stretcher figures for every hospital, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, show 1,034,349 minutes were lost by ambulances statewide waiting outside in hospital corridors and car parks.
They show 54,487 of patients who had to wait endured delays greater than 30 minutes before being officially transferred to the care of the hospital.
Gosford, RPA, Wollongong, Royal North Shore and Liverpool were the five worst performing hospitals in NSW. One ambulance officer yesterday described the delays outside emergency units as appalling, with "people on death's door" waiting for treatment.
"Not only do people have to wait for the ambulance to arrive but they then have to wait sometimes hours before they are admitted," he said.
The situation worsens in winter when demand peaks due to the frail and elderly being hit with influenza.
The ambulance service blamed an ageing population and strong demand growth, with emergency call-outs increasing 14 per cent in two years. A spokesman said while all calls referred to in the figures were the highest category "lights and sirens" cases, some may be downgraded as patients are stabilised or reassessed as less serious.
Health professionals said yesterday a lack of beds was causing the blockages which are placing lives at risk.
Dr Sally McCarthy, vice-president of Royal Australian College of Emergency Medicine, said: "This reveals the true problem about what is wrong with our health system and how the State Government is refusing to listen.
"We just don't have enough beds and we don't have enough to staff them."
Opposition health spokeswoman Jillian Skinner said more ambulances would be taken off the road.
"Ambulances are not allowed to leave until a doctor has taken charge of a patient," she said.
Health Minister Reba Meagher said: "The NSW Government recognises the pressure points in the system and that's why late last year we released a $50 million package to provide an extra 150 acute care beds."
EMERGENCY patients dialling 000 will be diagnosed by a computer program that could leave them waiting up to an hour for an ambulance.
People suffering complaints such as chest pains, miscarriages or drug overdoses will be assessed as either \"hot\", meaning an ambulance will be dispatched immediately, or \"cold\", with response times of 30 minutes.
And sexual assault victims face the chilling prospect of waiting up to twice as long for medical care - unless they are suffering life-threatening injuries.
The new over-the-phone diagnosis system will see up to 40 per cent of emergency calls responded to without lights and sirens - adding to the Code Red crisis it was designed to help alleviate.
The Health Services Union said the system, called ProQA and due to be in place by the end of the month, would further delay ambulances and in some cases it would be quicker to drive yourself to hospital.
At present the ambulance officer determines how serious a case is after arriving at a call.
Under the new scheme, operators will ask patients a series of questions and each case will be given an urgency ranking by the computer based on those responses.
Health Services Union general secretary Michael Williamson said the system was being introduced ahead of the busiest time of the year without being tested.
\"Nobody can dispute that you want to have the best resource going to the emergency call, but the system has always been based on having an ambulance respond as quickly as possible,\" he said.
\"This was proposed to solve the access block issue. But we can\'t see how it will do that. This is really about having inadequate resources to deal with casualty calls.\"
He said people called 000 expecting an ambulance to arrive promptly and would take their anger out on ambulance crews over delays.
Mr Williamson said it was also unfair to put pressure on the operator or caller to determine how urgently an ambulance was needed, and there were concerns patients would lie or give incorrect answers, leading to serious mishaps.
If ambulance crews travelled to calls without lights and sirens, case times would also blow out further, he said.
An ambulance paramedic said that while some cases should be prioritised, there were often disparities in what a caller reported and the true seriousness of a patient\'s condition.
Opposition health spokesman Barry O\'Farrell said medical staff should be diagnosing patients, not computer programs, with minutes crucial when saving lives.
He said the Government was trying to correct appalling response times by changing the way they were measured.
Already, the Government has lowered its ambulance response time target to 53 per cent of crews arriving within 10 minutes, down from a target of 61 per cent.
A New South Wales Ambulance Service spokeswoman said staff were still being trained to use the system and there was no fixed date for its implementation.
\"The Ambulance Service will introduce a system to improve ambulance response times and patient outcomes and ensure that the sickest patients receive the earliest responses,\" she said.
\"Currently, every 000 call received by ambulance receives a lights-and-sirens response.\"
Ambulance waiting times have tripled: NSW Opposition
The New South Wales Opposition says it has leaked documents that show ambulances on the state's Central Coast spend around 1,000 hours a month discharging patients at emergency wards.
Good work Greg your neglect of the Central Coast is really paying off no wonder they think you a fuck wit you and your mate willis roll on may roll out greg
To me it sounds like the Roach is and always has done what he likes even if it contrvenes court orders or recommendations eg the IRC, HSU, NSW GOVERNMENT. Why and how come he is allowed to get away with it. The Roach has no credibility, is a liar and a ruthless manager is condones the managerial style of bullying and harrassment.
Why then is the man not being investigated by the IRC or the Ombudsman.
It is beyond belief that he has been able to remove award conditions and decreased wages, and yet to have the gall to say that no ambo will be worse off with the removal of penalties.
I hope who ever is suing the ASNSW for lost wages wins, it will open a pandoras box with more than likely many law suits to follow.
SYDNEY & CENTRAL COAST ROSTERS:
Proceedings before the Full Bench in relation to the introduction of 12 hour maximum shift length which concluded yesterday.
HSU tabled a number of documents including the Administration Bulletin issued today by the Chief Executive entitled "New Rosters for Sydney Division." This became exhibit 6 in the proceedings.
Essentially HSU submitted to the Full Bench:
* That the Service's position during the modified arbitration was
predicated solely on the 4x5 roster model,
* That HSU, its Delegates & members discussed the 4x4 accrued days off model in good faith, but were unconvinced that a number of all of the administration and equity issues associated with it had been resolved to the extent that it could be effectively implemented.
* The current incarnation of the 4x4 roster had not been subject to appropriate or adequate consultation.
* HSU also submitted that the Chief Executive's actions in
publishing the Admin Bulletin (Exhibit 6) in the full knowledge that the Full Bench was considering those very issues this afternoon was inappropriate, and effectively an attempt to pre-empt or improperly influence the deliberations and determinations of the Full Bench.
* The Service's proposal in its current form was inconsistent with
the Award, and the inadequate notice to change the rosters was inconstant with clause 22(b) as there were no "exceptional circumstances."
The Service simply submitted that:
* There had been sufficient & adequate consultation;
* That HSU & its members were attempting to "throw out the
anchors on implementation of the 12 hour shift, consistent with its obstruction during the Major Case."
* That the Chief Executive was entitled to make a decision to
implement the new roster, and it should not have been a surprise to HSU that this should occur, and should not be perceived as being anyway improper by the Full Bench.
* The award issues claimed by HSU were essentially red herrings.
THE FULL BENCH: At this stage, the Vice President on behalf of the Full Bench made an "Interim Statement" which is
summarised below:
* The proceedings before Justice Staff on Wednesday were clearly
about attempting to resolve the differences between the parties, and it was known that the Full Bench would be attempting to resolve or determine those differences today.
* The Communication by the Chief Executive dated 27th March, exhibit 6, can only be perceived as an attempt to pre-empt the deliberations of this Commission.
* Worse still (said His Honour) this appears to be an attempt to
present the Full Bench with a fait accompli. Such conduct cannot be tolerated, and ordinarily a Restraint Order would normally be issued.
* However, as he perceived that the HSU was prepared to participate in further conciliation, he would allow DP Grayson to attempt final conciliation. If that could not be successfully completed before 4pm today, the Full Bench would make a decision.
The further attempt at conciliation did not result in agreement. The Full Bench then made a further Statement as summarised below. (Incorporated is the outcomes of a subsequent statement dealing with timeframes that were adopted after a further "off record" period):
* To give effect to the decision of the Full Bench to introduce 12 hour shifts, the Bench had clearly in mind a 4x5 roster system. That was the only roster system in contemplation, and we rule that the 4x5 should be implemented.
* The Bench expressed concerns that there appeared to be a process at play to delay implementation. It should be implemented forthwith. (After consultation with the parties, the Service indicated that 2nd May, the start of the new roster, would be appropriate for Sydney. After proceedings, the Service indicated that further consultation is to take place on the Central Coast next week, and could not indicate the proposed implementation date at that time.
* That there be a full analysis of the competing systems. That a review should take place 6 months after the introduction of the new rosters.
* That the proceedings were concluded. That liberty to apply is
granted to either party by way of a fresh dispute notification.
Well now we can go out and get a real job and try and earn some decent money on our 5 days off. Shame our real job will have to be disturbed by having to go and get flogged in an ambulance for shit money. Glad the IRC saw through the Roach and I bet he and the hostess are pissed off about it too. Nathan? NATHAN???
Does anyone have any suggestions for jobs I can do in my 5 days off? Cuz the pittance we are getting paid at the moment just isn't cutting it.
I already have a second job, and it pays better than my day job. Its call on call.
ABC NEWS
ALP names presidency trio
Posted Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:03pm AEDT
The Labor Party has confirmed the Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, Michael Williamson and Jenny McAllister will be the ALP's next federal presidents.
All three were elected unopposed after no other nominations were received by last week's deadline.
Mr Williamson - the general secretary of the New South Wales Health Services Union - will begin his one-year term as party president at the end of July, to be followed by Ms Bligh and Ms McAllister.
NICE REWARD MICHAEL FOR SHAFTING THE AMBOS
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE HSU DOING THIS ???
Within a week of operation, EMSPA NSW Inc. received a number of complaints from members relating to ambulance management intimidating crews for taking their unpaid meal break off the station.
The new Award handed down by the IRC on 12 September 2008, stated at Section 20B (a) “The existing one hour unpaid meal break provisions will continue to apply until new rosters are implemented”. Ambulance employees, particularly Station Managers & Team Leaders have received intimidating phone calls & emails from senior management suggesting that it is inappropriate to be taking this meal break off station. In effect, it is being suggested that employees should not be accessing an Award entitlement. Due to sustained high workloads, paramedics have been accessing this Award entitlement simply to ensure they have an adequate break during their shift.
Furthermore, the EMSPA NSW were advised that the Operations Centre was collating information on individual employees and whether or not they were making themselves unavailable during their lunch hour. It had been suggested by management that Officers whose names were on the list, “may not be eligible for promotional positions”.
The behaviour of Ambulance management is not only unlawful; it is disappointing particularly after the recent parliamentary enquiry into bullying and harassment in the Ambulance Service. In response to the enquiry, the Health Minister stated in a media release on 20 October 2008, “I do not and will not tolerate bullying or harassment in any form”.
EMSPA NSW has sought legal advice on behalf of affected members and as a result, the Ambulance Service was contacted by Ffrench Commercial Lawyers on Monday 23rd March. In summary, our legal team have confirmed our position that per the Award our unpaid meal break is exactly that and employees subject to this award provision are free to “do what they wish”. The Service has been put on notice that it is in breach of the ASNSW Code of Conduct by using such tactics to coerce employees into not accessing an Award entitlement.
Ffrench Commercial Lawyers have requested that the Service investigate this behaviour promptly in accordance with their responsibilities under the Code of Conduct. The last two points (below) made by Mr Andrew Frieberg in his correspondence with the “Service” last Monday should ease the concerns of all members.
It is interesting timing that on Friday 27th March, ASNSW attempted to expedite the introduction “new rosters” to remove the unpaid meal break, to take effect with only 7 days notice. It is clear that the Service’s view would be that this action would remove the unpaid meal break that currently exists and solve the problem of unfair and unlawful intimidation of staff who were accessing their Award entitlement to the break. As you will be aware this decision was overturned in the IRC yesterday afternoon.
It is a pity that the Service have not been able to implement their new rosters, or even come up with a workable plan to implement them according to the timetable set down by the IRC. It is also disappointing that the Service removed ALL penalties associated with meal breaks as of 27 February despite a request for the “status quo” to remain in place that came from the Health Minister back in late September. This is also despite a statement from the Health Minister Mr Della Bosca on 19 February 2009, that new roster arrangements be “introduced sensibly and in consultation with our workforce”. It is the opinion of the EMSPA NSW Executive that a sensible approach would be for the status quo to be maintained until the full implementation of the new rosters. In such a circumstance the current operational difficulties surrounding the unpaid meal break would simply not exist.
If members choose to access their unpaid meal break and make themselves unavailable during their unpaid meal break, the EMSPA NSW Executive would like to remind members that you are deemed “off duty” and as such you must remember to secure your Ambulance vehicle and contents as such.
We encourage any EMSPA NSW member continuing to experience intimidating behaviour from Ambulance management in relation to this situation, to contact the Senior RLO or any of the Executive committee. The Ambulance Service of New South Wales Code of Conduct provides a firm commitment to staff to eradicate this type of behaviour from our Service. EMSPA NSW will ensure that this commitment is adhered to for the protection of members.
NOW TO ALL YOU FENCE SITTERS OUT THERE..... WHAT ARE EMSPA GOING TO DO... WHERE THERE IT IS ((( THATS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, AND THATS JUST THE START ))) ~
But we desperately need more members, so i urge you to pop your application forms in the post and urge you colleauges to do the same... unless that is, you want the management bully's that are calling the shots right now to continue doing so..... remember the next poor sod they decide to hang could be you and we all know the HSU wont do anything about it.... history is littered with evidence that supports that fact !!
"" REAL POWER IS NOT GIVEN .... IT IS TAKEN "".
COME ON BOYS... ITS TIME TO TAKE IT BACK, IM OVER WAITING FOR ASNSW TO BE REASONABLE !
Posted Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:03pm AEDT
The Labor Party has confirmed the Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, Michael Williamson and Jenny McAllister will be the ALP's next federal presidents.
All three were elected unopposed after no other nominations were received by last week's deadline.
Mr Williamson - the general secretary of the New South Wales Health Services Union - will begin his one-year term as party president at the end of July, to be followed by Ms Bligh and Ms McAllister."
Of course as he always used to tell memebrs and delegates that there was no political interest, now for being a good boy and giving many ambos a pay cut we will reward you with the following. What a joke.
Well well......
I hear today on ABC FM talk back radio that Mr Williamson, yes the same General Secretary of the HSU Mr Williamson, is taking up a senior position with the Labor Party or is being offered ANOTHER position......
How many hats does this guy wear!!!!!
I imagine his parting words.........' I salute you all on the HSU sinking ship, I'm off to bigger and better things, thanks for your financial support over the years'......
EMSPA................
NO POLITICIAL AFFILIATIONS....PARAMEDICS REPRESENTATING PARAMEDICS...!
Surely the fence sitters will now stop asking "what will EMSPA do?" and get onboard. This is only the start of things to come. Bring it on!!!. HSU have been around for years and they would never threaten legal action against the service. Their poor record is proof of that. Oh and congragulations Michael on your Labour Party post you rat!!!!
Ray hadley or Alan Jones need to hear about Williamsons latest rort.
How the Fuck has this bloke not been investigated by ICAC yet.
And how the fuck could any of HSU members still pay into this SHAM.
Talk about dumb cunts.
DEFINITION;
Dumb Cunt: (der-ummm K-aunts)
1. member of corrupt labor party union also known as HSU. noun
Numbers on paramedicnsw,,,
Greg Bruce,,,
wanker,,,,
you have to eat your words greg about EMSPA,,,,dont you greg,,,,
wanker,,,
Ho.. Ho... Ho.... Well done EMSPA.
Look out you nepotistic bully boy masons.... there's a new kid in the school yard ..... and this one is not going to be manipulated and bullied in submission !!
EMSPA, you will have my membership form on your desk by tomorrow.
Fucken Wanker!
Fucken MINT
REPORT
and
DETERMINATION
under
SECTION 13
of the
STATUTORY AND OTHER OFFICES
REMUNERATION ACT, 1975
JUDGES, MAGISTRATES AND RELATED GROUP
15 September 2008
Travel necessitating an overnight stay
Capital City Rates
Adelaide $350.00
Brisbane $372.00
Canberra $357.00
Darwin, Hobart $336.00
Perth $416.00
Melbourne, Sydney $406.00
Newcastle and Wollongong $288.35
Other areas
Judges $247.10
Magistrates $210.20
MEALS
Meal Allowances for travel NOT involving an overnight stay
Breakfast $21.10
Lunch $23.65
Dinner $40.65
These Cunts must eat different food to us
President of the Industrial Relations Commission
349,580
Vice-President of the Industrial Relations Commission
333,630
CONVEYANCE ALLOWANCE
Full time Office Holders receiving salary equivalent to a Supreme Court Judge or higher shall be entitled to a Conveyance Allowance of $22,000 pa.
Full time Office Holders receiving salary equivalent to a District Court Judge shall be entitled to a Conveyance Allowance of $19,800 pa.
Full time Office Holders receiving salary below that of a District Court Judge shall be entitled to a Conveyance Allowance of $15,840 pa.
The Conveyance Allowance determined here shall not count towards Judges’ pension or for superannuation purposes.
Code of Conduct and Ethics for
Public Sector Executives
All NSW public executives whose positions are covered by Schedules 3A and 3B of the Public Sector Management Act 1988, are now required to comply with this Code as a condition of the Contract of Employment.
Your Code of Conduct and Ethics sets a framework for ethical decision making by establishing a common understanding of the standards of behaviour expected of you. As public sector executives, you are expected to act and be seen to act, in the "public interest". Moreover, you are expected to take responsibility for your own behaviour and to lead ethical behaviour in your organisations. I recognise that decisions are not always straightforward and there will be, on occasion, a need to balance competing values. I believe that active and open discussion of ethical issues and potential dilemmas, will foster a healthy organisation culture and integrity in the workplace.
I wish to acknowledge valuable input to this document of many individuals and agency officers and seek feedback from you to ensure that this Code remains relevant and meaningful. Please contact the Public Sector Management Office on 9228 5510 (or facsimile 9228 3102) with any comments or suggestions.
Col Gellatly
STATUTORY AND OTHER OFFICES REMUNERATION ACT 1975
REPORT AND DETERMINATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 24D OF THE ACT
On 28 October 2008 the Premier, the Hon Nathan Rees MP, directed the Statutory and Other Offices Remuneration Tribunal (the Tribunal), pursuant to section 24D(1) of the Statutory and Other Offices Remuneration Act 1975 (the Act), to review its annual Determination of 15 September 2008 on the remuneration payable to the Chief Executive Service and the Senior Executive Service (SES). The Premier has requested that because of the economic conditions prevailing since October the Tribunal should limit the increase in SES remuneration packages to 2.5 percent.
Pay Cut: “…Tribunal’s determination takes effect from 1 October 2007 and is in effect until 30 September 2008. During this period the Government may reach agreement with public sector groups regarding future wage increases. The Tribunal notes that any further award increase beyond 2.5 percent would, in accordance with the Government’s Wages Policy, only be achieved through negotiated productivity savings. The Tribunal has long maintained that the SES has a lead role in achieving productivity savings. The Tribunal will, therefore, monitor closely the results of any concluded award agreements and, should they provide for increases beyond 2.5 percent per annum the Tribunal will, pursuant to Section 24D of the Act, write to the Premier and seek a special reference to review remuneration levels for the SES.”
Thursday 19th March 2009
Ambulance Service of NSW Attn: Greg Rochford, CEO
Locked Bag 105
Rozelle N.S.W. 2039
Dear Mr Rochford,
On behalf of the members of the Emergency Medical Service Protection Association (NSW) Inc., we would like to introduce ourselves as the Executive Committee of EMSPA (NSW) Inc.
Our Association has been formed by a group of very pro-active and enthusiastic NSW Paramedics who are very keen to see an increase in the morale, support and representation of NSW Ambulance professionals.
Our core role is legal representation of Paramedics, Patient Transport Officers (PTO’s) and Emergency Medical Dispatchers (EMD’s). If further information is required on our association we invite you to visit our website at http://nsw.emspa.org.au.
EMSPA (NSW) fully supports your desire to promote a respectful workplace that encourages robust communication and professional standards. The Association will always hold the protection and care of our members above all else, so rest assured that we are committed to improving the working conditions for all operational staff.
I sincerely hope that as a respectful workplace, ASNSW embrace EMSPA (NSW) as a collective group of Ambulance professionals wanting to have a positive effect on the workplace and develop a mutually beneficial relationship with you and your Executive so that together, we can strive to improve the emergency medical service that we provide to both internal and external stakeholders and deliver the world class Ambulance Service you hope to achieve.
I extend to you an open invitation to meet with the Executive of the EMSPA (NSW) at any time in the future. Our contact details can be conveniently found on our website.
Regards
EMSPA Executive Committee
Looking forward to the Roach's reply if he bothers to send one.
does anyone know what happened in the IRC yesterday with the Svc and the Death &Disability award?
there were going to be changes apparently !
please reply if you know anythink,,,,central coast
Mate. The correct word is ANYTHING!!! People looking at the poor spelling which plagues this site must think we are all stupid.
Sorry "anything" if you dont know "anything" then why bother tp reply.No wonder we are in the shit that we are,when people like you have to pick at any think.
Ive just done 15.5hrs on the road,,,so excuse my language,,,,,
""fuck off""
I don't care about your language!!!
It's really water off a ducks back and I wasn't trying to personally put you down. BUT I am glad you got the message. I did a long shift on the road too!!!
Fuck Off, I did a long shit in my med bag.
ooops I cant spell either you fuckers
Too right you should be tired you slack baggy arsed ambo's.
Work for nothing as i have instructed, more to the point work on an empty stomach, because you do not need a break, you pack of girls. Careful because i will get my local managers to harass and bully you until i get my own way.
Fuck the IRC i can do what i like, My mate big Dell i will see you at my bbq this weekend to come up with plan B. How dare you get the EMPSA on my ass. I'll be back.
Yes you an spell either. You just did. I didn't do any hours. I am on a day off yay!
Roachie I told you to settle down tonight on the phone. We don't want these slack lazy bastards knowing what we are up to. We will all smile at the BBQ and then when we get their confidence again we will hit them hard. They love us really you know.
Whats the bet some brown nosing ambo will get his/her photo with Ol'crazy eyes at the BBQ.
In advance
Go fuck yourself you stooge.
See it all comes back to the turd in the bag.
That is the best thing to come out of this.
You guys want to grow up.. stop picking on each other and KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE FUCKING BALL !!!
The service have not given up trying to screw us you know.. they are livid that we got the 4 x 5 and will be looking for anyway possible that they can make it fail so they can go back to the IRC and have them change it because now they have to do what they are paid for and manage it .. where as the one they were trying to sell to us like used car salesmen managed its self.
The battle is not over and I suggest you all get busy sending off your EMSPA forms if you really do want a better future !!
You have all been asking for a long time now for "fair and unbiased representation" .... well a few brave souls have stuck their necks out and given it to you on a plate !!! DONT YOU THINK THAT AT LEAST YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THEM ????
P.S. GOD FORBID THAT THE USUAL LEVEL OF APATHY PREVAILS AND EMSPA FALLS ON IT ARSE, BECAUSE IF WE DONT ALL GET BEHIND THEM, IT WILL.... AND GOD FORBID YOU ALL IF THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE MANAGEMENT WILL ONCE AGAIN DO WHAT THEY LIKE... ONLY THIS TIME THEY WILL BE EVEN MORE CONFIDENT IN SCREWING YOU OVER BECAUSE THEY WILL KNOW THAT ANOTHER ASSAULT WILL NEVER BE MOUNTED !!!
COME ON GET THOSE FORMS IN AND ASK EVERYONE YOU COME INTO CONTACT WITH IF THEY WILL DO THE SAME.
Yep totally agree about EMPSA. The people at my station are saying that EMPSA can't represent us at the IRC. I have tried to explain that Charlie Chaplain if he was still alive could, anyone can and that EMPSA has lawyers that can. They are being told some real lies by the HSU delegates most of who you never hear from normally and they are convincing. How about EMPSA send out a letter to each ambo with their pay packets just like the service did re Sydney's LM and CO's. We got one in the country too. What a waste of paper but is there some way we can get to every ambo other than the email which most people tend to just delete. Ask the question what has HSU done for YOU.
Yeah lets take bets on who is going to crop up in sirens with Ol' Crazy eyes at the BBQ. I am going to put my money on Millevoi or Parsell. Haven't decided yet.
your gunna have to get someone down at rozelle (which is gunna be hard because they are all fuckwits)
to sign the probies up, day 1, like the HSU muppets do.
why don't you offer Carpet free bum sex if he gets on board?
On 27 March 2009 the Full Bench of the Industrial Relations Commission heard submissions over Sydney
Rosters. Ambulance detailed the significant consultation process that had been undertaken (AB2009-016)
in relation to the preferred roster pattern and other alternatives that had been considered.
The Full Bench, in finalising this last remaining item of the Major Industrial Case, noted that previous
discussions before them on the issue of a maximum rostered shift length of 12 hours had been focussed on
a 4 x 5 cycle. Given this the Full Bench directed that the 4 x 5 cycle be implemented as the base roster
pattern in preference to the 4 x 4 cycle.
In doing so the Full Bench noted they had not had opportunity to consider in detail the merits of the
alternative patterns, and that leave should be reserved to have these matters considered after 6 months.
Sydney Division will now post rosters based on the 4 x 5 pattern to commence on 2 May 2009. In doing so,
the Division will also discuss with employees options for alternative rosters where they might best meet
individual circumstances.
Consultation in relation to implementation of new rosters on the Central Coast continues.
Greg Rochford
Chief Executive
What a Fuckwit.
How about: The umpire has made their decision and we need to move on greg.
Would you like counciling greg.
Don't like it when it happens to you! do you fucker.
yeh Crazy Eyes.
How about sending out a bulliten like you did when rescue got shit canned.
Time to move on greg
4 X 4 gone
We going to off Crazy Eyes councilling? Why should we. He doesn't seem to think any of us need it. So we are going to be poor but have lots of time off. No money to do anything on those 5 days off but plenty of time to think about it.
******* The Full Bench noted they had not had opportunity to consider in detail the merits of the
alternative patterns, and that leave should be reserved to have these matters considered after 6 months.******
Incase any of you didnt notice, this was the important bit !!!
You watch, pritchard will allow overtime to run rampant during this time, he will not dog the controllers for better performance as he does now and in six months time will present the IRC with the bill for a roster system that "" HE "" did not want ! and then guess what ..... yep back to 4 x 4 with holidays built in so that they dont have to mangage anyhting.
Mark my words, this is what that paragraph is all about !!!
I agree.
Pritchard is one of the biggest fuckwits in the job.
I put him in between Crazy Eyes and the flight attendent.
The 3 fucking stooges.
That paragraph is scary
The 4 by 5 is here to stay, it does not matter what the Pritchard, or the Roach says.
They presented the 4 by 5 as an alternative to reduce fatigue which was a key point in the Garling report.
There is no justifcation in implementing the 4 by 4 roster.
This will only increase sick leave and a huge difficulty in retaining staff/recruiting staff.
The 4 by 5 is here to stay.
Well bugger the lot of you I am sticking with my 7x2 country roster. Well at least I am on call every night too so that is a benefit. I hate being at home.
You must have a missus like me.
Can't cook.
Arse has blown out.
Dead root.
I will work 24/7 if I could
Hahahaha funny. No I just love helping the community. Love being on duty even on a rare day off.People think they own you in country towns. Married to the job I was told before I left Sydney. Nah I said. Yeah they said. They were right. Never see a boss unless you have too many sickies. That can be a good thing though. Earn shitloads of money and everybody hates you for it including the fat cat sitting in sector office but we never see them at 3 in the morning working upside down in a car in the pissing rain. If it wasn't for the money I wouldn't be here. Who would work these hours for 60k a year. My garbo gets more and doesn't have to do stupid fucking CTP shit to get it. Oh but the best part is when you take a cardiac arrest into the local hospital and the nurses and doctors ask us what to do. Hell they will ring us if they get a sick one that walks into the cas. Help! Help! The ambo's will fix it. Even the local nursing homes call us out to change their oxygen bottles in their oxy vivca's. What does wops do? They send us and we get paid for it and everybody hates us for it especially the fat cat sitting in sector office.
Yup, I got paid 9 hours pay yesterday. Then I went home on my second job, I earnt 21 hours pay for 4 hours work.
PS The 9 hours I worked I sat upon my fat arse and watched telly.
How do you figure 21 hours pay for 4 hours? I can't figure that one out.
Anonymous at APRIL 2ND 10:57, sounds like you're a caring,loving,fantastic husband, and your wife is one lucky lady.
Sounds like your one of the Fat Arse Brigade yourself.
She is lucky.
As you probably are.
Now go and cook the man some eggs.
How do you figure 21 hours pay for 4 hours? I can't figure that one out.
Easy Mate, on call you get paid 4 hours overtime every call out, the call out begins when co ord calls you and finishes when the sign you off. If they sign you off and then call you 2 minutes later its another 4 hours overtime. 4 hours overtime works out to be 7 hours pay for weekday, 10 hours on Saturday and 13 on a sunday give or take. The other night I did 3 call outs, first one was 45 minutes second 90 minute (cas was 55km response) and 2 on another. I have had call outs last from as little as 3 minutes to 8 hour transers. Go bush, loose you life but make more money. And dont get to shitty at it, theyll be after that next award negotiation.
The cunts
Well you blokes deserve it. When I worked in the country I was never home like the other guy said married to the job. If they try and take call outs away there won't be any ambo's left in the country. Nobody would do that job without the cream that goes with it. Fuck em.
Yeh the cream.
If you look at my wife's arse you will see who gets the cream.
I work my guts out only to come home and be welcomed by my wifes fat arse and a peice of steak that resembles a dried thong.
If I say anything she knocks me on my arse with those fucken hands of hers, they are the size of dinner plates.
No good on the rare occassion that she grabs my willy, makes it look tiny in those huge hands.
I am fucken depressed.
Does life get any worse than this?
Sometimes wish they would take the fuckers so I wouldnt have to do the call, its a dangerous double edged sword, I can live without the call out money, as I havent over extended myself, but fuck getting consistent pays of 4 to 5 grand in the hand is nice, and buys some shit hot toys. But its harsh when your little ones say to you when your mobile rings "please tell me its not a job" and thats when your on holidays no where near home, it fucking hurts. Sit down to meal and the phone rings and see the dissapointment in your families eye, see you in 4 hours its a transfer. yup on call is fucked. But I like where I live more. Could be worse.
Re: yeah the cream
C'mon Mr Willis that is no way to talk about ya missus.
Just think though it is all up shit creek Mon to Fri if ya no what i mean.
GR hands are like catches mits.
Poo something stinks.
Yeah country brother i hear ya.
It is going to get a whole lot worst when you are doin it for nothin.
But never fear cause ya city cousins are here, NOT.
Spoken like a couple of managers. Divide and conquer. Fuckwits.
Yeah thanks for the support. And no I wont be doing it for free. Because we in the country have balls, the things you lacked in the city. And we no how to stand up.
Some of your female officers have balls, I'll grant you that.
Do you think the service purposely posts the dingo ugly ones bush?
And you will get NO backing from the city when you lose your call outs. We warned you when you failed to back us.We are divided, no two ways about it.
You can go on about unity blah blah blah, but you dogged us and we won't forget.
Fuck the Bush.
Mate i think you need to get your facts straight. If you actually do some research you will find that the bush did back you.
You’re certainly going about it the right way if you want to cause widespread division between staff. With staff like you no wonder we’re in the current predicament of in-fighting re: rescue, meal penalties, rosters, P1, ECP (the list could go on forever). This is exactly what the svc wants, DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
It's people like you that cause disunity between staff. We all must stand united rather than being concerned about individual gain.
when are you morons going to realise that it is the likes of the roach and the flight attendant and all their suckhole cronies that are posting these city vs country comments
get a life and grow up you idiots
they WANT discord, makes their well paying jobs easier
when are you morons going to realise that it is the likes of the roach and the flight attendant and all their suckhole cronies that are posting these city vs country comments
get a life and grow up you idiots
they WANT discord, makes their well paying jobs easier
Dead right .... thats exactly what they are doing.... thats why you should all now leave this site, join EMSPA and STICK TOGETHER !!!!
we can beat them this time... no corrupt managers in this assocation, no corrupt political puppets and no hidden agendas.... i can tell you now, the likes of Pritchard, and all those other senior uniformed managers that have been able to do and say what they like for the last 20 years or so are shitting themselves !
YOU CANNOT BEAT AMBOS WHEN AMBOS ARE WORKING FOR AMBOS, REPRESENTING AMBOS AND SUPPORTING AMBOS AND ITS ALL OUT IN THE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT !!!
Absolute Transparency is the way of the future... that is what the G20 summit has been all about.
The days of underhand dealings, bullying and domination in the world are coming to an end and anyone (including the ASNSW) who tries to fight that is going to come to a sticky end).
SO those of you managers who have a history of such.. consider yourselves ON NOTICE because i can assure you that EMSPA will make your life very difficult if you attempt to buck worldwide changes.
You know the best thing... all the planning and documentation are already there... anti harressment, anti bullying, unfair dismisal, workplace fairness etc etc... the only thing that has been missing is someone to make the fuckers that wrote it all actually comply with it... ENTER >>> EMSPA !
re: "fuck the bush"
Are you sure you are not a manager trying to propagate dissent and apathy? We need to stand together no matter what misinformation, rumors or allegations we hear. Fight for the common good of all Ambo's I say! The only thing we should be doing is supporting each other no matter what. We are now becoming more of a strong family everyday that goes by. If you cant support your fellow Ambo's, then really WHAT are you doing?
To the person who talks about the G20 summit being open and transparent and compares it to ASNSW. Are you fucking real. There would be under the table deals left right and centre at G20. Fuck me your gonna be disapointed if this bloody emspa acheives nothing.
Its funny now that the bush are saying they backed us in the city,when there might be achance that their call outs might be effected in the future !!!!
but are you down $500.00 this pay like Iam,,,NO you are not I bet !!!.
Well you can look behinde you all you like there wont be the city standing there,I can say that with confidence,you may think you supported the city,central coast,but where was your industrial action in support of us ?
Why didnt you all say No Callouts untill Meals and COs are back ?
Well answer me that.
Ambo's need to take action regarding the issue of meal penalties. A $500 f/n pay reduction is just not acceptable. Why is nothing being done?
Nothing is being done because there are still morons paying into the HSU thinking they representing us well!
More importantly.
Who is going to Alan Dent's farewell.
That will be a corker.
How many cats do you reckon you could swing in that room without hitting anyone?
Your choice has arrived http://nsw.emspa.org.au
As ambos we deserve better. Join EMSPA to build a positive future and a positive service culture.
Those of you who haven’t learnt from history by now will be condemned to re-experience it.
SPIDER
A couple of points to mention,
Firstly with the city vs cuntry, you pricks can deny all you like that you were there for us in relation to industrial action regarding call off's and late meals, it is clearly documented that the majority of HSU members ( in the country )voted against us. The vote went 6 against to 4.
That is in black and white, and that is what your delegates did to us, so do not deny it.
But i assure you will will not back you in return you selfish pricks. Now is that divide and conquer i ask, well to answer that for you, you already decided so get off your high horses.
In regards to the Dent leaving, another Roach-ford, Loudfoot drone who will not be missed. The master of bullying and harrassment finally leaving this job. I am sure though there will be no fan fair or even a thank you for a man who made so many lives miserable. What a way to be remembered.
All i can say is thank fuck and good ridence you fat fuck, hope to bump in to you at the pub one night.
Fuck me.
Go the bush acting all innocent.
As stated black and white.
You did not back us.
I love that swing cat bullshit, thats fucken unreal.
The dent will have a tear in his eye when it sinks in that no one respected the fucker on account of all the empty seats.
poor prick will probably try and convince himself for a while that people got the dates or venue wrong. hahahahaa
Usual suck holes will be there though.
Bush Wacked,
Re: Firstly with the city vs cuntry, you pricks can deny all you like that you were there for us in relation to industrial action regarding call off's and late meals, it is clearly documented that the majority of HSU members ( in the country )voted against us. The vote went 6 against to 4.
You will find that those delegates voted for their own reasons and there was no input from members of their own sub-branch. I have never seen the results of voting from a State Delegates Meetings in my entire career. Members of each individual sub-branch have no idea what the member of their executive has voted for, or against, at any of these meetings.
For example, I know of certain sub-branch delegates who voted against rural staffing enhancements for single officer stations. Why?….money. Voting “yes” would cut these delegates and their mates out of money. Yep…. keeping these stations single officer makes these pieces of filth money in Call Outs and LAHA. They are only interested in themselves and nothing else…fuck officer safety and fuck the patients. And guess what none of the members of those sub-branches knew a thing, especially the single officers themselves.
Some of our union delegates are nothing more than lying scumbags. The little they have done has quickly been undone recently by the negative impact they have had on all of us.
Anonymous I wouldn’t blame the bush for how the vote went. You will find the majority of your country brothers, and I am one of them, had no say in how their delegates voted at these State Delegates meetings.
SPIDER
P.S. If you do happen to find out how a particular delegate voted have a ring around and find out what the members of that sub-branch think. You will find that most wouldn’t even know there was an issue that was voted on.
POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT, ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY
Spider, you may be right so i will not resort to giving a reply you seem so often get in relation to your comments.
What i will say is that i find it hard to believe that HSU members in sub branches across rural NSW are misrepresented to the extent that all sub branch delegates vote on their own agendas without any consultation from financial members what so ever.
That is in clear violation of the democratic process which i am sure would, have to be investigated by ICAC or the DPP.
At the end of the day though i don't think you will get much support regardless.
Spider what i can suggest is if you are a financial HSU member then the delegate you voted for to represent you must inform you appropriately of all HSU business.
You need to get on to these people or put in a vote of no confidence and sack them.
It takes an individual effort, and if every body made that effort maybe we could be united and get what we are entitled too.
Unfortunately for you country folk, all i can tell you is that i know and have seen the voting count that went 6/4 against us city folk. The majority of the 6 was made up of country delegates speaking on behalf of its members.
In black and white my friend.
Bush Wacked,
Re: That is in clear violation of the democratic process which i am sure would, have to be investigated by ICAC or the DPP.
Your are sure right there, but who do you turn to? You seem unconvinced and you are part of the process so why would anyone else believe me especially people without an understanding of the dynamics of the HSU and the management of the service.
Re: You need to get on to these people or put in a vote of no confidence and sack them.
It’s hard to convince people something corrupt is going on when the voting system at these meetings is confidential.
Re: Spider what i can suggest is if you are a financial HSU member then the delegate you voted for to represent you must inform you appropriately of all HSU business.
Yep your right their too, but they will fob you off with crap about voting confidentialty. Try getting info with names and how they voted at these State Delegates Meetings and it just won’t happen. I have tried and failed.
My country brothers and I would never vote for the loss of YOUR award conditions in the city. Maybe someone with their own personal agenda might.
Good luck if you decide to make inquiries you are going to need it.
SPIDER
P.S. You say the vote went 6/4 and most of the votes against were from the country. Convince me by posting the published results on this blogsite e.g. sub-branches for and sub-branches against.
I bet you can't.
Bush Wacked,
By the way if you could tell me were I could find a HSU Code of Conduct and Ethics that our sub-branch delegates are bound by, that would be nice too.
SPIDER
"Its funny now that the bush are saying they backed us in the city,when there might be achance that their call outs might be effected in the future !!!!
but are you down $500.00 this pay like Iam,,,NO you are not I bet !!!.
Why should we have said no call outs when you blokes wouldn't stand tall yourselves. You just let them rip you another arsehole. To be quite honest with you our delegates were telling us NOTHING about what was going on in the city. NOTHING. Only reason I knew was because I still have mates in the city who were telling me about it. If our great union had asked us our opinion we would have supported anything that was going on but we were never asked or invlved in any of it. But look we can look after oueselves when it comes to them trying to can our call outs. You tell me how they are going to do that. Double the staff??? They pay us $1 an hour to stay home in readiness. No drinking, no partying no familt life unless it is in between jobs for $1 an hour. Most of the time we are at home. We aren't being called out MOST of the time. They would be dumb to try and can it. It would cost them millions and they know it.
You will find that those delegates voted for their own reasons and there was no input from members of their own sub-branch. I have never seen the results of voting from a State Delegates Meetings in my entire career. Members of each individual sub-branch have no idea what the member of their executive has voted for, or against, at any of these meetings.
Thanks Spider that's what I was trying to say. Whatever the country delegates voted for they didn't ask any of the troops.
Alan Dent is a nice bloke....only kidding....I remember him when he was just an ambo like the rest of us and he was half ok. He became management and the rest is history. I remember going to a meeting at Parramatta as an ASO and boy did he think he was god almighty. Surely nobody will go to his send off not even LOUDfoot.
What i will say is that i find it hard to believe that HSU members in sub branches across rural NSW are misrepresented to the extent that all sub branch delegates vote on their own agendas without any consultation from financial members what so ever.
YEP YEP YEP... NOBODY knows what the fuck is going on. Ring any country station on the north coast and ask them if they personally voted to support city or not and come back here and tell me what they said. That is why I resigned from the HSU.
I want to see those for and against votes too. Where can I find them.
spider you are right noone and I mean noone aound Dubbo was asked to vote on anything.meal breaks penalties in the city? never heard a thing about it.cunts
is this city vs country getting us more money, better hours, better conditions........NO
so get back on track you morons and tell your mates to jump on the EMSPA wagon and fuck HSU off forever
ALL THE ABOVE POSTS PROVE ONE THING
HSU and having individual little sub branches doesn't work in favour of the majority. That's why the EMSPA model will be different! TRY and leave the past behind, move on from the disappointment,betrayal and sense of hopelessness that has cultivated over the last few years. Get involved in making EMSPA OUR major representative body
and watch the change for the better.
The executive need to now how the members feel in regards to the current issues surrounding the implementation of the new award. We need to know your views on the last IRC ruling regarding industrial action. We need to know this so we can better represent you.
I would like to ask that if you can spare 5 minutes of your time send one of the executive and email as to how you feel about the current situation. And what direction if any you feel it should go. If you don’t understand the issues please call one of the executive to discuss it.
I understand we all get a bit tired seeing “union stuff” in your inbox, and that Sydney’s problems seem a long way south of here.
200 emails sent out, total reply 4 emails, thats a fact. Dont blame delegates, blame your colleagues.
AT least those 4 said stick it to them, but its certainly not a majority.
I was one of the lazy ones that didnt answer, I should have, you lost your penalties. Sorry.
If 4 voted then that is the majority.The delegates should of gone with that.
No one and I mean No one in their right mind would think that people want to lose money !
There didnt need to be a vote,and to combine the rescue as part of the voting package was wrong.This was a seperate agenda.
It must be illegal to still have no Penalitys when the new rosters cant be implemented.The Health minister said that the award will stay the same untill new rosters are implemented.
I would like to see this letter.As far as Iam concerned the Svc is in breach of our award,,,,and something needs to be done now,before it goes on to long.
Then they will say well you have lived like this for some months now,why worry about bringing back penalitys.
Iam down another $400 this pay,,,,this is wrong that people are losing money.The money we make,is because we are working,,its not given to us because they like us.We are working and thats in a nutshell,,compensated because we dont get a break,and if you think standing in trolly block is a break,you can bloody think again.
You all need to wright to Mr Della Bosca,,,His address is No6 Meena Rd Woy Woy Bay NSW,,,thats his home address,,,let him know how you feel.Send a letter every week.
"before this goes on too long"...??? This has already gone on to long! This should never of happened. What scumbags would take money out of the pockets of the hardest working, most abused Ambo's? How can they think they have done a good job? Next they will be asking Surf lifesavers to Pay for the privilege of turning up!!!
Anonymous,
Re: No one and I mean No one in their right mind would think that people want to lose money !
There didnt need to be a vote,and to combine the rescue as part of the voting package was wrong.This was a seperate agenda.
Exactly there didn’t need to be a vote. The fair and just thing to do was for us ALL to stick with our city brothers and vote appropriately. I can’t reason for a second why one of our delegates would vote against them. I guess it was because there was something in it for them. There can be no other reason. Same as those who voted against enhancing single man stations. Why would they do it? why would they think it? Why would any decent person do it? It just doesn’t make sense. The whole thing just makes me sick with disappointment.
It’s very difficult to move on when so many of us have been betrayed by those who have claimed to support us.
SPIDER
To Bush Wacked:
I heard the same in regards to the voting count going 6 against to 4.
What i do know is that not all of those 6 votes were made up entirely of country delegates. Sydney ( city cousins ) also voted against industrial action re: call off's, late meals. The likes of Sydney North and West made up that 6 against. My point is the country are not entirely to blame, we should be looking in our own back yard first.
The problem is we as a whole depending of course where you are stationed are generally kept in the dark on union business.
I know Sydney north are as gutless as a spineless jelly fish.
In regards to spiders query regarding delegates/union rep's code of conduct try the ACTU Website or HSU should have the info you desire.
I am sure the ACTU sets down strict guidelines on the behaviour of all trade delegates.
At the end of the day elected officials are accountable for their actions and if those officials have in any way acted corruptly then there needs to be action to have the officials investigated by ICAC or the NSW Ombudsman, ASNSW management including.
To bush wacked,
you are correct,some were from the city,some did have their own agenda in mind !
But it is time to let Mr Della Bosca know,,,,dont worry about sending your letters to his office,,,send straight to his home,,,
No 6 Meena Rd Woy Woy Bay NSW 2256,,,
Go ahead I dare you all
Your right about North Sydney.
Delegate is a fucken WANKER.
Got the posting he wanted though
Hey Spider. I have missed your dribble and as I have said before you continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
I have to inform you once again that you are suffering a condition called profound mental retardation. Dick head.
Go fuck yourself you idiot and stop pretending to know what is going on.
I may not agree with Spider about Ol Crazy Eyes being a good bloke but personal insults like that serve no purpose. Clean up your act!!!
Hey! Our main focus on this forum should be discussing ways to, and initiating action, firstly to, regain what we in Sydney and Central Coast have lost financially, secondly, improve the work environment from the toxic wasteland that a bunch of scumbags running the joint have turned it into, thirdly, improving our job/career making it better for ourselves and therefore the public (after all, I am still there for them, no matter how stupid the call) and lastly preventing any degradation of conditions and pay from ever happening in the first instance. Why must certain individuals continue to post such negative and unhelpful drivel. Lets work together and force this job to become the job that it should be.
Waste of 21 dollars,
Thanks. I’ve never said Rochford was a good bloke. He may well be, don’t know, never met him. My argument has always been about uniformed management’s membership in our union and the ridiculous notion that just one man is to blame for our problems. This is just HSU propaganda fed to ambos and the odd parliamentary inquiry with allot believing it. I know different.
However, what has been exposed on this blogsite recently is that union delegates vote on issues at State Delegates meetings without the consent of their members. What these delegates are doing at these meetings is unethical and without doubt corrupt. If people perceive me to be a Rochford supporter for trying to expose this type of corruption, so be it, I really don’t care. Rochford plays hard there is no doubt about it but I don’t see him as corrupt.
The conflict of interest by having management in our union is without doubt questionable and ripe for the pickings for those who want to abuse it. EMPSA has identified this issue and no one above the rank of S/O will be able to join the new association. Good for them…..and good for us. There are too many people that take advantage of our system as it stands. Corrupt delegates can gain all sorts of benefits by colluding with management; postings, promotion etc. This needs to end once and for all.
SPIDER
POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT, ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY
Lets work together and force this job to become the job that it should be.
That it used to be until the union starting selling us out to management by allowing them into OUR union yet some people still pay good money to the HSU so the delegates can have junkets in 5 star motels and vote for it's members without asking what those members want or even including them in any of it then making out to the city people that country voted against them. Who in their right mind would vote to have their peers stripped of awards. Nobody except those with an alternative agender.
Sorry I meant agenda. Long day.
Got it.
SPIDER
you are correct,thats why everyone should send letters of disgust to the address i have given you.
No 6 Meena Rd Woy Woy Bay NSW 2256.
If you send to his office he will not get the letters,his advisers will intercept them and not not advise him.These advisers are there to save the government money at any cost,,,do you really think they care if you are losing money !!!
As long as they are getting there bonuses and their 2k a year.
Fight the Fight at the top,or put up with it.
Unfortunately Della bosca is a dumb fucker.
I agree we should bombard his home address with letters, even turds but I think it will do nothing more than frustrate him, as he will see it merely as junk mail.
Better than doing nothing I suppose.
I will send him one.
Send him one if you like, but make sure it is well written, factual and absent from any personal attacks. If it is not he will most certainly throw it away, and possibly reduce his opinion of Ambo's. You may even need to be apologetic about sending correspondence to his home. Think about it, if you had taken something away from your kids (for example) and didn't appreciate how badly it effected them, think of the best way they could approach you to regain what you have taken. If they chucked a tantrum what would you do? If they were polite and courteous and showed you just how much it means, what would you do? The loss of meal penalties means allot to me, I'm applying for new jobs (the future of this job is uncertain a the moment), the quality of food I'm eating is reduced, I can't sleep worrying about how to pay the mortgage, I can't afford to fix my 25 year old car now (which is falling apart), my relationship is strained due to the amount of stress this has caused us. My garbo earns more than me, a firefighter "recruit" earns more than me, I can go stack shelves at Coles for more money, surely this isn't right?
One things for sure, the quality of life of ambos has been reduced with loss of meal penalties. This means poor health and poorer performance from ambos. Wouldn't that cost the government more money? It also means an even worse attrition rate and recruitment rate. I heard applications are getting fewer and fewer. It probably then means that more and more idiot cowboys are getting in and its only a matter of time before one of these idiots has to treat you or a loved one. "Whoops! I gave IM midaz instead of adrenaline, why isn't he breathing anymore? Better put a neb on and wait to see if that works. No, oh panic! Better forget to check for a pulse and just start CPR, then I might stop that to try to get a BP and put the pulse oximeter on, don't forget a BGL. Shit! he's vomiting, better stop and cannulate so I can give some max as well. While I'm stuffing around with that i might also try and put an LMA in "CUZ it's fun!" I can't understand why this 25 year old asthma pt died".... scary.
Have you posted a blog on here in the last 48 months expressing how pissed off you are with HSUs handleing of our Major Wage Case? How you written about how you feel undervalued by the service?? Have you bitched about the loss of conditions in the Award?? Had a spew because your sub branch hasn't kept you informed?? If you answered yes to ANY of the above I hope you have sent your application into EMSPA so this shit won't keep happening in the future. so far over 220 officers have joined,a good start but not enough...Get off your hands and sign up.It's a good feeling!
Hey, that was supposed to be confidential that info.
Re: Send him one if you like, but make sure it is well written, factual and absent from any personal attacks. If it is not he will most certainly throw it away, and possibly reduce his opinion of Ambo's.
He (Della) doesn't have an opinion about ambos, or nurses, or doctors or anything other than getting re-elected in 2011
Wowie he tried SO hard to get rescue re-instated, but oh so velly solly NSWSERB makes the rules, and golly he is so upset about your plight about lost penalties, but the IRC makes the rules.
what happened to the status quo??????
new rosters still not in but we lost our CO & LM already
He doesn't give a flying fuck about you, us or anything else he is just another labor stooge (as Labor voter (not) says)
He is the ..th (beats me there have been about two dozen so far) health minister and STILL health is fucked
if you get sick fuck off to Somalia or Ethiopia to get better health care than NSW
I agree with LV(not) vote these useless bastards out at the first opportunity labor has totally fucked NSW and Kevvie baby will do the same to OZ.
I look forward to seeing these sad excuses for government out on the streets in 2 years
You should vote no confidence Barry (o'Farrell) and piss them off out ov govt even sooner
WHAT ONLY 200 HAVE JOINED EMSPA?
I SURE HAVE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE REST OF YOU?
ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB OR JUST SITTING (LIKE ALWAYS) ON THE FENCE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
GET OFF YOUR USELESS ARSE AND JOIN RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU LIKE BEING UNDERPAID AND OVERWORKED??
MOVE OR DIE FOOLS
WHAT ONLY 200 HAVE JOINED EMSPA?
I SURE HAVE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE REST OF YOU?
ARE YOU REALLY THAT DUMB OR JUST SITTING (LIKE ALWAYS) ON THE FENCE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
GET OFF YOUR USELESS ARSE AND JOIN RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU LIKE BEING UNDERPAID AND OVERWORKED??
MOVE OR DIE FOOLS
What gets me is at the mass meeting the majority voted not to bung it on when it was the prime time to do it.
Now this same majority has finally seen a few payslips and want to know how? why this is happening?
I say you got what you fucking deserve you fucking dumb inept morons.
yes. I agree.
I bet half the whingers on this blog haven't even joined empsa yet.
would rather everyone else do the fighting while they just stand back and whinge at the outcome.
nitwits
I can't understand it. I have worked with many different officers in many different regions since this crap started, and the conversations on road ALWAYS ends up down the path of "I can't understand why we haven't taken any industrial action, I wanted it from the start and I told my sub-branch this!" As far as I'm concerned, the obvious fact is nobody in their right mind would vote to loose wages. And we didn't. Nobody "got what they deserved" we got screwed and the people responsible should be in prison as far as I'm concerned. Why must people like you continue to post unhelpful drivel such as "I say you got what you fucking deserve you fucking dumb inept morons." I say you are the moron for not supporting your fellow Ambo, if you indeed are an Ambo. If that's the case, it seems to me to be counter productive not to support Ambo's so they can provide a better service, because near fatal emergencies, as you should know happen to anybody at anytime. Ambo's aren't dumb, they are "people focused" we watch people, we interact best under stressful and difficult conditions, we continually re-evaluate situations in a dynamic environment, we work out complex problems, all for other "people", complete strangers, people who swear and abuse us, vomit on us, call us at 4 in the morning for an earache or because they drank too much. And we keep coming back time and time again for those times when someone calls for us who actually needs our help. But we are not politicians, nor should we have to be.
Last Anonymous,
Nicely put. Unfortunately being as honest and compassionate as we are, well some of us anyway, we can also be easily taken advantage of. Led down the garden path by some spin doctor HSU delegate with the gift of the gab. They tell us all one thing and then vote differently at these State Delegates meetings.
That reminds me has anyone found any documents specifying how each sub-branch voted at the last State Delegates meeting?
I guess that info, if it does in fact exist, may be tucked away somewhere with the details of HSU’s political donations.
SPIDER
220! Is that it?
Bwah hahahahahahahahahah!
EMSPA....they'll fix everything!
Bwah hahahahahahahahah!
Fuckin mint.
Don't support your fellow ambo.
Thats why I called you inept morons.
Where were my fellow ambo's when I voted for a stink at the mass meeting. Because I have a brain in my head and could see what was coming and YOU inept morons went fucking soft due to your head up your arses.
Don't give me the shits you fuckwits. The writing has been on the wll along time, and it has taken a few payslips for it to sink into you inept morons now I'm the bad guy.
If YOU inept morons would have a go earlier we wouldn't be in this mess.
So grow a fucking brain you inept morons.
The HSU and its piss weak members got a good result for the effort they put in.
FUCKED result for a FUCKED effort.
Keep whinging or have a fucking go.
I know what you will do though, keep fucking whinging, typical fucking ambo mentality.
At least your delegates got something out of it.
And williamson got another nice hat to wear.
INEPT MORONS
"Whoops! I gave IM midaz instead of adrenaline, why isn't he breathing anymore? Better put a neb on and wait to see if that works. No, oh panic! Better forget to check for a pulse and just start CPR, then I might stop that to try to get a BP and put the pulse oximeter on, don't forget a BGL. Shit! he's vomiting, better stop and cannulate so I can give some max as well. While I'm stuffing around with that i might also try and put an LMA in "CUZ it's fun!" I can't understand why this 25 year old asthma pt died"....
You just described how I work every day.
It is taking a while for people to understand what EMPSA is and why they should join. I know people on my station who still think the HSU will help them if they get in the shit and that;s why they are staying PLUS the HSU delegates are telling everyone that EMPSA can't reprasent them at the IRC only HSU can. It will take time but hopefully eventually everyone will see. HSU will be nowhere to be seen when you need them most. It has happened twice to me and a number of times to friends of mine in the job. They bolted. Wouldn't even answer phone calls or emails. HSU is not what those people think. I resigned in writing to the HSU many months ago and just recently got a bill for back fees! Yeah fucking right.
I resigned in writing to the HSU many months ago and just recently got a bill for back fees! Yeah fucking right.
I got one of those letters too. So long suckers.
We're "inept morons" apparently. Unable to perform the task of overrunning a union that says one thing and does another. Stupid me for trusting that the union would represent my interest in not getting a pay cut! Why do you think I post here continuously trying to gather support. I only post comments urging for improvements that benefit us, the Ambos. What good is it to slander each other. We all could see it coming, some of us tried to stop it. Most of us didn't know what we could do, after all, as I said, we are Ambos, NOT POLITICIANS. How about you post something positive. While you're at it, go back to your station and talk to everybody, make a suggestion on what we can do now and help people to implement that suggestion. I'm not whinging, I want to have a "fucking go", I'm sick of Ambo's slagging each other off.
220.
That's gold.
Bwah hahahahahahahahaha!
What's wrong with you?
not sure.
but i'm sure emspa will fix it.
220.
bwah hahahahahahaaha!
you all make me laugh,,,you say you want to have ago,,,,well i dont see anyone on the grass !!!
I dont see anyone throwing all the keys in a bucket and telling the hospital its all up to them.
I think its time you all take a look in the mirror.
You all let it got this far,,,no one stood over their corrupt delegate and said we are going it alone,,,,NO ONE.
You have the address to Della Bosca"s home,but still there are some who want to take the softly sloftly approach with wrighting him a letter,,,,are you all that thick.
for fucks sake grow some balls.
bwah hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!
RE: It is taking a while for people to understand what EMPSA is and why they should join
Yeah too right mate (wank wank)!!
It has taken them 20 fucking years to realise HSU is a political fuck up so it will take them at least 10 to realise that EMSPA is the right choice
Might as well just wait for a few hours at your next cardiac arrest and see what happens.
Yeah but it will BE TOO FUCKING LATE THEN........ and it WILL BE TOO FUCKING LATE FOR EMSPA if you stupid fucking morons DON'T FUCKING WELL JOIN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with "Thats why I called you inept morons" TOTALLY I constantly shake my head when I look at my workmates....the pathetic sheep that call themselves ambos.
At least I KNOW I'M covered if I fuck up now (or management SAYS I fucked up more like it) because I'M in EMSPA.
Do you dolts behave like this at an emergency scene????
do you sit on your fat arses and just stare waiting for SOMEONE to lead the way and start treatment??
You put so much effort into saving everyone else BUT yourselves
Time to get a little selfish, time to get on the right horse
South Australia looks more and more promising tho I fucking hate Adelaide
Bwah hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
220 members, should have enough funds to send 1 letter on your behalf numb nuts then you'll be onyour own. Just like HSU.
I wouldn’t blame the bush for how the vote went. You will find the majority of your country brothers, and I am one of them, had no say in how their delegates voted at these State Delegates meetings.
Inept Morons.
"We could all see the writing on the wall"
Fucking bullshit.
Thats what the INEPT MORONS are saying to make themselves feel better.
Only the ones voting for a stink saw the inevitable.
The rest of you are FUCKING INEPT MORONS.
So if you voted not to grass it at the mass meeting.
You got what you wanted. Congratulations.
You can take all the credit for the shit we are in.
INEPT MORONS
220
And more balls than HSU's 1500
You educated ones would know the story of the Spartan's.
Ticker is more important than numbers.
Go the EMPSA
HSU = Corrupt Soft Cocks
Delegates shittin because they know the days of their love ins and lobster lunches with time off the road is over.
TURD
Thats mint.
I wanted TURD to be the first thing you see.
At the top of the posting list.
Go the TURD
Go EMPSA
Go INEPT MORONS
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