Hi there, fellow ambo's.
How many times can we be shafted? Ripped off pay wise, ripped off workload wise, under-staffed, over-worked, treated like shit in general by management, not looked after by the State Government, not to mention a piss-weak union.
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«Oldest ‹Older 3601 – 3800 of 5605 Newer› Newest»I beleive Dennis Ravlich and his wife have gone on stress leave!FACT.
Oh well bad luck.
Yes seriously how anyone can say anythincgood about Rochford. His runs are on the board. Lets not forget what he said about us all sitting around hospitals drinking tea and causing bed block. Then back peddaling via the PR department. He couldn't even say it himself. He is the one who offered the new award and how he must be hurting when he realised that he GAVE the country people a lunch break hahahaha. God he must cry himself to sleep every night over that one.
Who is his wife? I didn't think stress was a legitimate reason for sick leave. Didn't they remove that as well. Ambo's don't get stressed.
Oh stress was part of the old award.We are running with 2 awards at the monent,didnt you realise.
Rochford only takes the bits out of the old award that will suit him and of benefit to the svc.
Bits out of the new award that will suit him and benefit the svc.
But hows poor dennis and his wife.Micheal Williamson dosnt even give a shit about his own staff,so what hope have we got!
The true colours are really being reveiled at the moment.
But dont worry this news as gone to the media too,no doudt all will be reveiled when the new association is up and running.
Oh and I do beleive that spider is Rochford.
that came from the inside of rozelle.
Mong Says
Why the fuck do you dumb cunts bite so easy!
No fucking skill mix, its a dead arguement move on. Just like rescue.
If skill mix was an issue it would be in now, according to you lot its easier to get in than it was to take rescue or meal penalties away. Why dont you apply to do IC rather than whinge then you to can be in the so called club, oh thats right you gotta pass a fucking EASY test and you lot cant.
Mong...what the hell are you talking about..I'm afraid that comment made no sense at all. What is it in relation to??
"Spider is Roachford" - I would believe that one for sure. This man has seen no less than 9 ambo's DIE.....yep....9......under his watch. You cant excuse that in anyway. Good for the svc or not...you cant excuse any deaths on your watch Rochford. May you rot in hell!!!!
IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS !!!
Rochford only does what Williamson lets him get away with and thats just about anything he likes.
The HSU and Williamson are the ones to blame most of the problems we have now and manny that we have had in the past!
As for Ravlich being off on stress leave... well boo fucking hoo !! he has been a party to the corrupt dealings that the HSU has been dishing out for years " serves him right ".
But salvation is here... www.paramedicsnsw.org.au !!!
Three months and people will be saying HSU ???? didnt they used to be some sort of union or something ?
P.S.
Word has it that current paying HSU managers are shitting themselves wondering how they are going to control the troops without the protection of thier bully boy antics from the HSU.
I heard it today from a senior manager. A Royal Commission is on the way. About time too.
We all agree that the HSU has had a lot if not most to do with our current demise...but being a long serving ambo, I'm telling you that Roachford is the devil in Gucci and would have been the mediator between HSU and health. Contract up for renewal..no probs when your earmarked for DG of health.
Williamson sold us out for sure, but Roachford is a deadset CUNT, dont be fooled, it is he that has not released the ASNSW long term plan...why not? Because its distasteful to you, me, the public and just about everyone except his mate the other Greg (NSWFB), its got all the trimmings you mark the words. No union or organisation will stop it unless you can stand against an even bigger and more powerful union....jump now...the ship ius almost sunk boys.
What long term plan are you talking about? If you read the 2008 Performance Review it is all in there. Rescue gone, ambo's are highly paid and earn too much overtime but they are working on reducing that blah blah hell they even pick on people in the pay office. It is all there. There should be no surprises to any of us what they want to do to us and it has already started. Read the review and see who is next..
What is a Dent and an Elliot and a Mong ?.
That is funny.
For the people who don't, you are very lucky.
Very good. I liked your point about err err…. You know it’s like having an argument with a child. I make a point and you nitwits come back with, “spider you’re a fuckwit”. Is that it? Surely you can do better than that, maybe not. Nitwits.
About the only decent comment was this one “Word has it that current paying HSU managers are shitting themselves wondering how they are going to control the troops without the protection of thier bully boy antics from the HSU”. Well done brother you got that one right!!! That’s the ticket, you knuckleheads are starting to learn.
Rumor of a Royal Commission? Ambos have been saying that for over twenty years. It would be nice though. Don’t underestimate Rochford nitwits maybe he has asked for one. Anywho I feel as though something is on it’s way. Let’s wait and see.
SPIDER
Why would Rochford ask to be investigated when he is the root of the problem. He isn't the only problem of course but he certainly doesn't do anything to help. We need someone who is prepared to stick up for us and to the govt not be a yes man like Rochford is.
Spider. You continue to provide us your ill informed views about Roachford on this post which only goes to confirm you are without doubt a fucking idiot and really have no idea!!!!
Spider. You continue to provide us your ill informed views about Roachford on this post which only goes to confirm you are without doubt a fucking idiot and really have no idea!!!!
Spider. You continue to provide us your ill informed views about Roachford on this post which only goes to confirm you are without doubt a fucking idiot and really have no idea!!!!
Spider. That is three times for your benefit. Do you get the idea now? Fuck off you idiot!!!
Anonymouse,
That’s not very friendly is it nitwit. Someone’s learned how to cut and paste text though. Who’s a clever boy then?
At this rate your going to run out of ideas. How about engaging in a discussion? You know you want to. If you can’t think of anything to say ask someone to help you.
Nitwit.
SPIDER
Due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown of economy, Management has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 40 years of age and above on early retirement. This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to management to be eligible for the SHAFT scheme (Special Help After Forced Termination). Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (Scheme Covering Retired Early Workers). A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as Management deems appropriate. Persons who have been RAPED can only get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependants & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance). Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by Management.
Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. Management has always prided itself on the amount of SHIT it gives employees. Should you feel that you do not receive enough SHIT, please bring to the attention of your Supervisor. They have been trained to give you all the SHIT you can handle.
Spider,
Haven't seen a post on paramedicsnsw for a while. I assume this is because you haven't supplied your ASNSW e-mail address?
So a quick question,if you are concerned about "management" knowing you have placed a post on their (paramedicsnsw)forum, does that also mean you won't JOIN the association when it launches in a weeks time? because management will also find out about that.
NEWS ITEM:
The union representing New South Wales ambulance officers is concerned about a plan to train firefighters to respond to medical emergencies.
It comes just months after the NSW Fire Brigade took over ambulance rescue responsibilities in the Illawarra, the Hunter and in Sydney.
The ambulance service has confirmed it is in talks with the fire brigade over training firefighters in several medical procedures, which could include giving drugs.
Such first responder schemes are already in place in isolated areas, but the Health Services Union (HSU) says it is against any move to introduce it to the Sydney metropolitan area where professional ambulance officers should already exist.
The HSU has written letters to State Health Minister John Della Bosca and ambulance service chief Greg Rochford, calling for a suspension in all talks until the union has been fully consulted.
There has been widespread anger among ambulance officers over the loss of rescue units to the fire brigade late last year.
Bet Greg can save a few bucks here so he can buy some more bureaucrats for executive alley at rozelle!
Does it have to be a “quick question” I hate to rush? OK then. No I haven’t posted on (paramedicnsw) forum for a while and no that doesn’t mean I won’t join the new association in time. Certainly management is well aware of the new association and I expect they are also aware of their plan to launch at some time.
I support what the new association is doing I always have. My advice was nothing more than that, advice to be very very careful. The concept that unscrupulous people may be able to link information from the confirmation email sent to your work address to comments you make or have made in the forum is a real one especially if you access the intranet from your home computer. Send me your IP address and I could probably work out what websites you like to visit, newsgroups you like to read. Maybe even throw in some text you have recently emailed.
Try me.
SPIDER
Spider....I do hope your a male Black Widow !.....Hushhh.....I think I hear your girlfiend calling.....run along now...thats a goood spider.
Firies now doin drug interventions, HA ,firefighter/intensivist got a ring to it hasn't it.
It is rather ironic that the firies have the better pay and above award conditions and are slowly movin in on our jobs if the Roach has his way. We cannot get a pay rise and are slowly losing our award conditions, doesn't add up.
If it is anything to go by on our Hx i can bet 10/1 on we will let it happen.
How morally wrong it would be to walk this time, don't you think.
What job will all you politically correct do gooders do then, cause i am sure the sv will wipe their dirty arses with you as they will the rest of us.
BLLLAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Spider. That is the sound of me spewing over that last dribble you posted. You cant be serious. You are not only a fucking idiot, you are a gutless prick!
Rescue - Sanity Prevails 5 December 2008
Most members would by now be aware that a concerted campaign to over turn a State Rescue Board (SRB) decision to decommission eight ambulance rescue units in the Greater Sydney Area has failed. Nine fire brigades will instead carry out the work of the Sydney based ambulance units meaning a safer, more effective and more consistent approach to rescue.
The SRB yesterday recommended that the decision to accredit fire brigades rather than ambulance units should be upheld and this morning Minister for Emergency Services Tony Kelly announced he was adopting the recommendation. Credit should now go where it is due and Commissioner Greg Mullins should be congratulated for standing up for the interests of the NSW Fire Brigades. Credit also to both Minister Tony Kelly and the Secretary of Unions NSW Mark Lennon for standing up to internal factional pressure from within the Australian Labor Party to over turn the decision.
Most importantly of all however is credit to all members of the FBEU for the patience, professionalism and dedication with which we have all carried ourselves. The Government is fully aware of both the sting the FBEU can deliver and the discipline its members can manage in the face of provocation. With the issue of rescue now tucked away we must all try to put this behind us and move forward in working cooperatively and in the interests of the general public.
Our Union has fought for thirty years to deliver the best and most appropriate rescue service possible and today that position has been vindicated. Thank you all for your patience and your support for the Union in a difficult period.
Simon Flynn
State Secretary
Delegates Meeting 21 November 2008
The Union has called a delegates meeting for 9am on Monday November 24th in the Union’s Offices 1-7 Belmore Street Surry Hills (5 minutes walk from Central Station).
This meeting will be a particularly important one given recent claims about the roll back of rescue service in the Greater Sydney Area and attempts behind the scenes to have government reverse its decision and reinstate eight ambulance rescue units. The Union and the Department are both firmly behind the decision to have firefighters deliver a rescue service and ambulance personnel deliver a medical service. The Union’s leadership in it’s forums and the Department’s leadership in it’s forums have been spending a substantial amount of time and effort working to ensure that this decision is not rolled back.
The meeting will also be updated on progress in the campaign opposed to the closure of the 34 brigades nominated in In Order 2008/22. This is slap in the face to all those brigades struggling to maintain crewing levels and the very bread and butter of community organising over vital community assets. The Union has made substantial progress on this campaign recently and delegates now need to understand the next stage in the strategy to have 2008/22 repealed.
Also on the agenda will be an update on the campaign to oppose the wholesale privatisation of state owned assets. With prisons, ferries, lotteries, electricity and the working end of our superannuation schemes now on the chopping block we all need to know where these campaigns are going and how we can help stop the sell off.
It is vitally important that your brigade is represented at this delegates meeting and that if your station delegate can’t attend some one else comes along. The station delegate network is the central nervous system of the Union and we all need to make sure that it is working properly.
On a lighter and perhaps more pertinent point today marks the 33rd anniversary of the introduction of the 10/14 roster into NSW. This roster has now established itself as the most efficient, reliable and self-sustaining rosters in the country. It has maintained 24 hour coverage, job security and a work routine that effectively balances life and work. While the Union leadership at the time was opposed to any increase in the number of hours firefighters work a rank and file campaign organised through the station delegate network won us all the roster we now operate. Now more than ever we need a strong and effective station delegate network. Please come to the delegates meeting.
Simon Flynn
State Secretary
Provision of refreshments and meals 24 October 2008
Today’s In Orders announce the introduction of refreshment packs and fresh incident catering for fourth alarm and greater calls. The Union has been consulted throughout the development of this proposal and agrees that in all instances the provision of food is preferable to the payment of the relevant allowances. Given the change in arrangements for providing refreshments and meals and the onset of the Bushfire period where extended incidents become more prevalent, the Union thought is was timely to remind members of all of their entitlements relating to fire ground meals.
Entitlements
Both permanent and retained members are entitled to refreshments after two hours attendance at an incident and to a substantial meal after four hours at that incident, followed by a further substantial meal each and every four hours thereafter.
For example, for a 13 hour incident you should receive refreshments after the first two hours, and a substantial meal on the fourth, eighth and twelfth hours. Members should note that refreshments only fall due once during an incident (after the first two hours), but after that they are then superseded by substantial meals every fourth hour. So in the above example, refreshments would still fall due after 2 hours, but would not fall due on the sixth or tenth hours.
Multiple and concurrent incidents
Whilst the provision of refreshments and meals is clearly tied to attendance at incidents, it is reasonable for Brigades attending concurrent incidents to be considered to have been attending one continuous (and very large) incident. That is to say, members responding from one incident to another in rapid succession who couldn't return to their station/base for over four hours would still be entitled to both refreshments and a substantial meal - even though they may have technically attended more than one incident. For example if City of Sydney's Flyer was responded to so many successive calls that its members could not return to their Station for over two hours, then refreshments should be provided.
The only exception to this rule is during major emergencies where retained members are "stood down" (for want of a better term) and accommodated overnight. These retained members (only) would not be entitled to refreshments, meals or those allowances for the period for which they were stood down, but travelling compensation entitlements instead.
When to claim the allowance
OH&S considerations dictate that the Union is consistent in demanding the provision of meals in preference to the payment of allowances after the event. The awards provide a clear incentive for the Department to do so, because refreshment and meal allowances become payable if:
a) members did not receive any refreshments/meals (as the case may be); or
b) the refreshments/meals (as the case may be) were provided, but arrived too late; or
c) the refreshments/meals (as the case may be) were provided, but were not of an acceptable or appropriate standard.
In fairness to the Department, the Union doesn't expect every refreshment or meal to arrive exactly on time (though they should still be close) and we'd encourage members to be reasonable in making all claims.
It's also the case that the appropriate allowance should be claimed if refreshments or meals were provided on time, but were not of a satisfactory standard.
Refreshments and Substantial meal
As part of the Departments new catering policy all appliances will carry refreshment packs that contain tea, coffee, sports drinks, bottled water, fruit tubs and muesli bars, provided these are available then the claiming of refreshment allowances should not be necessary.
Substantial meals, however, have proven to be a bit more controversial. The awards define a "substantial meal" as "a meal similar in standard to that provided by domestic airlines to inflight passengers travelling interstate economy class." Whilst this is only a guide, it does provide some indication of the sort of meal that should be provided.
The Department’s proposal for fresh catering provides menus that should include a hot meal, selection of salads or vegetables, mixed breads and in most instances a dessert. If members do not believe that the meals they are provide with are substantial then they should notify the Incident Controller immediately so that meals can be improved on the fire ground either straight away or for future incidents.
Again, members are encouraged to exercise judgement (without compromising your award rights) when assessing whether or not the meals you received could rightly be considered to be "substantial" - both in terms of their quantity and their quality.
Special dietary needs
And finally, members with special dietary needs (ie, diabetic, vegetarian, halal, etc.) who have notified the Department of same are also entitled to have their needs catered for. It follows that the allowances are again payable if these needs were not met.
The allowances for both permanent and retained members are currently as follows:
Refreshment Allowance = $11.80
Meal Allowance = $23.60
Travis Broadhurst
Junior Vice President
Cutting Your Wages 28 June 2008
On Wednesday evening Commissioner Mullins issued an extended and disjointed message regarding the 2008 award negotiations, which he predicted would be met with an “angry response from the Union office”.
He was wrong we’re not angry, Commissioner, just disappointed.
That said the approach taken by the Commissioner is entirely predictable and absolutely consistent with the way in which he has dealt with the Union over his entire tenure as Commissioner. The regrettable fact is that there have been three Union Secretaries since Mr Mullins’ appointment as Commissioner, and he has failed to maintain a working relationship with any of them.
The plain and inescapable truth that has not been addressed in his message is that over 1000 members (99.5% of those present) voted to reject the offer put forward by the Commissioner for a 4% wage rise in exchange for a substantial loss of conditions. The current Union leadership was elected with an overwhelming mandate to take a direct and up front approach with the Department. That is what is happening right now and clearly Mr Mullins doesn’t like it.
On this particular point every member needs to understand that there are no passive observers in these wage negotiations, the Union’s officials are and will continue to drive home our claim for a real increase in wages. The Commissioner is and we expect will continue to push the Departments claim for real cuts in our wages and conditions. Each and every member of our Union now needs to take responsibility for our wage claim and get active if you don’t want to see our job go down the drain.
The Union has called in all station based delegates in the Sydney, Newcastle, Central Coast and Illawarra areas to a mass meeting of all public sector Union delegates on Thursday 3rd July. You should now be making sure that if your brigade is in one of these areas your station is represented. This meeting will mark a clear and tangible escalation in the manner in which our wage claim is prosecuted.
In the words of one long term member of the FBEU
“We weren’t a Union that was ever sat on.”
Morrie Stolmack Union activists 1938 – 1975
Simon Flynn
State Secretary
we are fucked.
Thanks HSU, YOU BUNCH OF CORRUPT CUNTS, WE ARE A JOKE, WHERE LUCKY TO EAT LET ALONE GET A MEAL PROVIDED AFTER 2 HRS, FUCK ME WHAT AM I DOIN IN THIS JOB.
TAXI DRIVER, WIPER OF SPEW LISTENER OF PATHETIC EXCUSES AS TO WHY THE LAME BRAIN NEEDS AN AMBULANCE AT 2AM,UNDER PAID AND OVER WORKED, NEVER THANKED, BULLIED AND HARRASSED.
AND YOU WONDER WHY WE ARE ALL BITTER AND TWISTED.
Anybody who has ever been on stand by at a major disaster ie bushfires/major landslide etc know only too well that we are never looked after.If it wasn't for the Salvo's ambo's would have had nothing at these gigs. Yes we are fucked if we let them. We need to walk people.
we are fucked and hungry.
Suffer suckers and feel the pain of not being cohesive, Work those shity long shifts get no meals and have no life. You deserve what you get sweet FA. Also how are your penalties? Fire's Rock. Piss weak bunch
Fires Rock!!!.
What does that mean ya retard.
the retard probaly lights them himself
yeah dontch love the fire brigade
they jack off every day because they are now fireFIGHTERS.
Only because they couldnt be fireMEN because they finally let the girls in!! Of course our svc would call them firePERSONS because as we all know, WE cant be heroes like the boys with the big hoses, Greg wouldnt let us.
Oh to be a fireperson, ya get to watch tv all day, get a personal signed copy of "Backdraft" to wank over, drive big trucks and play with water.
Gee wish I was one...NOT
They only die at fires from heart attacks, not from getting fried like their "brothers" overseas who actually get INside and push the fire OUTside the building.
they only bodies our lot find are when they troll thru the ashes after the fire is outand trip over one.
ah yes what a life, heroically standing 20m away and pouring on the water and pausing for a break after 2 hoours and a nice sit down meal after 4.
but now the rescue boys in the FB are getting restless again. Instead of being RESCUE FIREFIGHTERS they want to be PARAMEDIC RESCUE FIREFIGHTERS.
fuck they must be bored, and boring...ever talked to one??? one told me he was out "all night" putting out burning garbage bins caused my a....wait for it...a SERIAL BINLIGHTER!!!!
so let 'em have the drugs and do the hard yards ALL fucking night and see how they go.Of course they would never get to jobs because they would be having snack breaks and din dins all the fucking time.
BUT at least they have a union with a set of balls
wonder if the hose dragger will do the renals, because their the sickest pt we transport you know.....just ask a level 5
they won't be doin the renals my friend, we will be doin the r3's and r7's. The firies will be the new front line medical response and we will be left to cart the bullshit. Be fucked as a P1 who has done the hard yards stand there and get a hand over from a fuckin firie and get treated like a second class citizen, gettin laughed at and treated like an idiot. Professional PTO i don' t think so.
Are we goin to walk yet, probaly not, the only time we walk will be on the last day of a shift in this svc, probaly.
Bring it on. I am happy to let them have it. After 32 years of doing this job I am over it. I hope they retrench me oh goody goody they will have to pay me out.Listen boys and girls don't worry about the hose draggers taking over I have been hearing that story since I started, They don't want it. Why would they. They would have to go and do a real days work then rather than what someone aid watching TV all day and standing back once in a blue moon ouring water on a fire that is a lost cause anyway. They won;t give that up to work for a living stna din ques all day at hospitals and then be investigated every time they go to a serious job to see if they could do it better. The only ones who might get extra training are the ones in upper bumfuck or somewhere.
Anonymouse,
Re: You cant be serious. You are not only a fucking idiot, you are a gutless prick!
Boring. Do you feel bullied little one. Sorry to upset you. Are you going to report me to management? Always a good tactic used against those who speak out about HSU corruption.
SPIDER
Anonymouse,
Re: Spider....I do hope your a male Black Widow !.....Hushhh.....I think I hear your girlfiend calling.....run along now...thats a goood spider.
Very Good. That was almost entertaining and nearly interesting. Almost.
Boring damned people. All over the earth. Propagating more boring damned people. What a horror show. The earth is swarming with them.
SPIDER
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What is more of a worry Spider is that we are employing them. Geez I remember when we could rely on each other and we were all quite intelligent. But that was a long time ago.
Anonymous,
You got that right brother. I don’t know so much about intelligence but we had maturity and we were experienced. Being senior clinically nowadays means you have the least amount of years of service generally. When I started, being an ambo was considered a trade and you worked your way up the clinical ranks as you developed knowledge through experience and exposure to various cases. As we all know it takes years for an ambo to become comfortable, confident and competent at their profession. Means nothing today. Bums on seats is all that matters.
Straight out of Charles Sturt University with a degree and you pretty much start as a P1 or what a Level 4 used to be. That’s a hell of allot of responsibility for someone with limited life experiences and starting their first job. The big jobs as we know can be far and few between but when it happens it’s in your face bigtime, I mean bigtime, and your expected to perform by the public and by the service.
I can remember attending a head-on about 12 years ago when I first went country. 4 patients in total, 1 dead female front seat passenger, husband driver screaming for her trapped with compression. Other car dead 12 year old male, mother unconscious head injury also trapped with compression. Closest backup was 40 minutes away as the helicopter was unavailable due to rain and low cloud cover. My partner and I had over 25 years experience between us and it freaked us out. (Try to set that scenario up at Rozelle with a Simman knuckleheads).
So I feel sorry for these kids today being sent bush after 1 year or so in the city. Some of them must get really fucked up by what they are exposed to. Problem is the system is set up in such a way that it’s just about impossible to get Workers Compensation for PTSD especially when lower management won’t support your claim when they submit a supervisor’s report to GIO. That’s big brownie points, because it saves the company money, and up the management ladder these nitwits generally go. You can chase it through the courts but you end up being more traumatised by the beaurocracy you have to deal with compared to what caused it in the first place.
Coppers seem to get Workers Compensation for PTSD all the time even if their nowhere near the incident let alone treating someone. So people end up leaving, one way or another (RIP), and the service is left with allot of people like me who love the job but are bitter and twisted at all of the ignorance, nepotism, harassment, politics and bullshit they have had to deal with.
For way too long.
SPIDER
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Your choice has arrived.
Your Association is now open for membership.
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Gee Spider you sound EXACTLY like me mate and everything you just said is spot on.
Spider. What a hero you are! You recall one big job you attended in your career and this validates every bit of crap you write? I think not. You are still a fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on. I do want you to keep going though because I can do with a laugh at the moment.
Now that the Association is launched, I'm giving this site the flick. What a waste of time it has become. If you want to support your colleagues despite differences we may have, join up.
Anonymouse,
Re: What a hero you are! I do want you to keep going though because I can do with a laugh at the moment.
Anonymous the exalted one, known to some as the archangel is here to help us all. This loving entity, and others, are here to assist us in the attainment of graduation status of the planet Earth and all upon it. An educator and practitioner of electromagnetic animation sciences, a crystal facilitator and mentor of things inconsequential. Thankyou for your contribution. God bless you.
SPIDER
Thats gold spider!!!!
I would hazard a guess and say Spider has attended more than one big job but was just recalling one that stood out as an example. I would hazard a guess and say you anon are still waiting for yours to come. I can tell you that when I joined 28 years ago there was far more trauma than there is now (no seatbelts, RBT etc) and less of us to do it hence we all got a bit more of our share. A good trauma job these days is a rarity but in thise old days were something we did every day. Plus we had less fancy schmancy stuff to use. We had to rely on our instincts and our tools were mostly our eyes. These days the first thing people go for is the pulse oxymeter followed closely by the BP cuff and if either aren't working well what do we do now. A person talking and breathing normally isn't good enough these days he has to have BP done and if it doesn't fit into what Sturt sayd is text book then we better start giving fluids or something quick! You newbies all make me laugh and then you think you are as good as anyone. Little hint. Learnt the trade first as Spider says. It was a trade and still is. If you think you know what is going on after a year or 2 then god help you.
it amazes me how the the old lady with the pitting oedema, needs two sets of obs when you are with her for 15 minutes, and she spends that time telling you about the grand kiddies and doesnt miss a breath the whole time, better get the pulse ox out and check just in case.
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“As a measure to minimise conflict of interest and to provide well defined parameters, our representation will be limited to Paramedics up to and including the rank of Station Manager (working in all areas of ASNSW), Patient Transport Officers (PTO) and Emergency Medical Dispatchers (EMD)”.
Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!! Hallefuckinlujah!!!
SPIDER
Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!! Hallefuckinlujah!!!
Yep yep and more yep. Fuck the managers. They are all turn coats who used to be one of us anyway but who soon turn.
Good bye HSU.
I hope Williamson and the Roach are chokoing on their dinner tonight, i bought a lobster and a case of Crownies with the money i have saved to celebrate the launch of the new association.
Bring it on cunts.
Dear ((( REAL AMBO )))
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for starting this site as you have been instrumental in what has now become the voice of the masses which has led to the birth of the new ORGANISATION that will change the face of our current corrupt situation with the HSU for ever !
This will be my last visit to this site as I will now focus a firm and laser like approach to ensuring the success and well being of all my ambulance brothers and sisters ( through the new association) and ulimately the downfall of the HSU !
To all of you who have contributed to this great push for a better future,.... I salute you, and to all of you useless managemnet pricks and self serving union deligates who have tried numerous times to bring down this site with your fowel language, cut and paste antics and fear mungering.... I say LOOK OUT !!! you time has come... because WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND !!!
AGAIN ... GOOD BYE REAL AMBO... AND THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
fuck off youll be back you cant help yourself cause its fucking funny
Well said thanks real ambo for setting up this site. well done!!!
I see the new wage claim starts in July. I am scared yes scared about what they are going to do to us this time. Anybody taking bets on how they will screw us again?
Hey buddy you aren't wrong there. I have had my nose broken in this job, busted an arm confronted a killer on more than one occasion. fought with junkies, but let me tell you NOTHING scares me more than what the HSU and their corrupt mates are going to do to us in July.
To REAL AMBO and OTHERS,
Ambos finally have an alternative. Fair and impartial representation from an association that represents OUR INTERESTS ONLY and not the interests of management. Management that is supported by brown nosing corrupt HSU delegates who don’t care about anybody except for themselves and their own desires. The new association states on its website that a conflict of interest risk exists by having management above the rank of S/O in the same union as the rank and file. And I quote, “As a measure to minimise conflict of interest and to provide well defined parameters, our representation will be limited to Paramedics up to and including the rank of Station Manager (working in all areas of ASNSW), Patient Transport Officers (PTO) and Emergency Medical Dispatchers (EMD). Finally this has been recognised by someone! It is especially pleasing to hear it from the new association because they will be the ones who will eventually represent us ALL.
To all of the corrupt managers and corrupt self serving HSU clones and delegates who have manipulated the system for their own benefit your time is up, it’s game over, the revolution is here and it is here to stay. Leave us alone, leave honest ambos alone, we are not like you. We don’t stand for the things that you stand for. You need to take your tricks and politics somewhere else.
To Rochford and the PSCU the new association will change everything. It will no doubt make your lives easier by assuring you that it is it fact ambos you are dealing with and not your own managers with their own personal agenda’s. Please support the new association and in time ambos will start to trust again leading to a positive culture I’m sure. Just a shame you haven’t done anything about Malone and his bumbling band of nitwits yet. Don’t get me started!!!.
In saying that there are many uniformed managers who are decent honest individuals who should not be tarred with the same brush as those who have abused their privilege of rank and their membership within our union. Their game is over, it’s only a matter of time until the old boys club is finally put to rest. Same goes for the decent honest hard working delegates who have been brought down by their dishonest self serving comrades.
My sincere apologies to the new association in critising your registration process. Maybe I have been out bush too long, become to paranoid, or maybe I just don’t trust anyone anymore. Again my sincere apologies. The new association is obviously one step ahead of an old burnout like me. I even suspect that the new association has contacted Rochford and possibly even have his support. I hope that is the case.
As one of the last posters indicated thankyou REAL AMBO for giving us a voice. This site was a brilliant idea and I expect confirmed and explained allot to those with an interest with ASNSW culture. I hope in some way my own small contributions have helped. It has certainly helped me to constructively vent my anger towards the low life’s that have hurt so many of us, then hidden behind our good names.
For me the long struggle is over. We have another choice and it appears we are in good hands. May a new era start based on honesty, accountability, transparency, integrity and fairness.
And remember,
”POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT,
ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY”
SPIDER
Anonymous said...
I see the new wage claim starts in July. I am scared yes scared about what they are going to do to us this time. Anybody taking bets on how they will screw us again???????????????????????????????????
I say
Join EMSPA(NSW) inc. and encourage everyone you know to join and maybe you won't get screwed this time!
What do you think of that?
HSU may well fuck up the next pay increase but what is the EMSPA plan? They appear to be going to ride on HSU's back then kick up a stink if its bad. Also does EMSPA think I should or shouldnt do the morphine upgrade? Apart from bagging the HSU they dont seem to have a plan. I'm no fan of HSU but I dont want an alternative with no plan apart from bagging the HSU, I dont need to pay $15 a pay to do that.
The Champ
We were all told when we did P1 we would be paid for it. Since we haven't been paid for any of it I would suggest not doing the morphine upgrade. I certainly won't be, not until the svc shows good faith and pays us for our extra drugs/skills as promised.
Champ
I think you hit the nail on the head. What is this new organisations plan for July 1 pay increase? Is this another toothless tiger that will disappear down the track, swallowed up by the IRC, HSU, ASNSW tripartite? They still have not answered the question of what power do they have with the IRC? If they cant fight in the IRC then whats their plan, another rally? If they want the people to join then they gotta show us their game plan.
Anonymous,
Re: should or shouldnt do the morphine upgrade?
Over 750 P1 officers throughout the State are using Morphine and have no allowance for doing so. The service has a budget the same as any other business. Why would they even consider paying you an allowance when most P1’s started using morphine for nothing? Think about it. Another HSU Fuckup.
As for EMSPA and their plans for the future, why don’t you email them? Instead of guessing. It only leads to a misrepresentation of what is actually going on.
SPIDER
Morphine! I think we should all use it! It makes they shifts more enjoyable!
To the above blogs asking questions of EMSPA, this forum is not the place to get any answers about the plans of EMSPA.
If you have concerns go to the source and e-mail the EMSPA excecutive directly. As for your assumption that EMSPA can't represent you in the IRC, that is incorrect. They have Industrial Lawyers on board who will represent the Association when the time comes.Also EMSPA is answerable to it members only (ie you and me),it will have no hidden adgendas or affilliations to the political party running the state, the reason the HSU is a toothless tiger as you say is because the Head Honcho (Williamson) is also the Secretary of the Labor Party and he does't want to stir any trouble for his drinking buddies.
The Association will become a force and will give you value for money especially if they get a strong supportive membership, if you can't see that yet you will. As I said at the begining if you have any concerns contact the EMSPA with them, and THEN make up your mind, don't go around making uninformed statements.
Anonymous,
Well said my friend. The previous posters were probably just managers or HSU clones fishing for information anyway, or a couple of nitwits trying to spread rumors.
If anyone on this blog has concerns about EMSPA go to the source and e-mail the EMSPA executive directly. This site has nothing to do with EMSPA.
Don’t waste your time trying to stir up shit on this blog. I’ve got that bit covered myself.
SPIDER
Spider. You are a fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on.
Re: “To Rochford and the PSCU the new association will change everything. It will no doubt make your lives easier by assuring you that it is it fact ambos you are dealing with and not your own managers with their own personal agenda’s. Please support the new association and in time ambos will start to trust again leading to a positive culture I’m sure. Just a shame you haven’t done anything about Malone and his bumbling band of nitwits yet. Don’t get me started!!!”
Spider. Don’t get me started??? You are a fucking idiot and your statement above reinforces that have no idea of what really goes on.
Re: “My sincere apologies to the new association in critising your registration process. Maybe I have been out bush too long, become to paranoid, or maybe I just don’t trust anyone anymore. Again my sincere apologies. The new association is obviously one step ahead of an old burnout like me”.
Spider. You have without any doubt been out in the bush too long!!! You are a gutless prick, a fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on.
Re: “I even suspect that the new association has contacted Rochford and possibly even have his support. I hope that is the case”.
Spider. You hope this is the case??? Are you fucking crazy??? I can see it now. Roachford will stand before the IRC and push for an unprecedented wage rise. Yeah right!!! You are a fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on.
Fuck off Spider you ignoramus!!! You REALLY REALLY have no idea. Oh and before you misinterpret my intentions or allegiances, and call me a corrupt manager or HSU delegate, I wish the EMSPA every success because the real ambo’s out there certainly deserve better than what Rochford has given them so far.
Where does the buck stop Spider with where the Service sits at the moment eh??? I will let you in to a little secret my friend because you are a fucking idiot and have no idea of what really goes on. The buck stops with Roachford.
Hooroo!
Re morphine
Why is it a HSU fuck up if 750 P1's using morphine. I thought the HSU banned morphine use by P1's till the money was addressed. More likely it is a P1 fuck up by those choosing to do it without addressing the pay. Of course the ASNSW will be loving it.
Dearest Spider
In reply to your last post I'm neither a HSU stooge nor a manager. I asked a few questions about this EMSPA and you tell me not to post here! Is this site only for HSU baggers. I thought this was a site where people could post anonymous questions or points without the fear of retribution (unlike paramedicsnsw site which requires you to give your work email address, who knows who has access to that! I bet if I put forward a negative comment half of NSW would know who I am) Soon as I ask a question you and the other one bag me for not asking direct to the EMSPA source. Well fuck me you aint no better than the bullies and harrassers called managers.
The Champ.
Hey Champ because this site IS anonymous maybe I AM a manager, What do you think of that?!
Anonymouse Anonymouse Anonymouse,
You are without doubt one of the most intellectually inept posters this blog has ever experienced. Anonymouse you really need to develop some writing skills.
But anyway, here are a few tips from the SPIDER that you might want to consider before you post again.: What is my theory? What evidence is there to support my theory? If I don’t agree with someone elses theory what evidence is there to support my argument.
Please go somewhere else Nitwit you really are boring me. Hooroo!
As for HSU banning morphine use by P1's, this obviously didn’t happen. Some sub-branches banned it. Some had no problem letting members use it. Some left it up to the officers themselves to decide. And some typically had no idea it was an industrial issue at all. Apparently out west in some areas no one knew about it at all. If the executives of our sub-branches can’t stand united on ONE small issue how do they expect us to do it.
Stand United, Blah Blah, We are the union, Blah Blah Blah.
Nitwits.
And to the Champ (love ya name) please stop whining you sound like my mother-in-law.
SPIDER
Grown up children ... the fight is not here, its out there, in michael williamsons back yard.
And for fucks sake you people who keep asking what the emspa is going to do... the answer is NOTHING yet... it needs members and then it needs YOU !! to be proactive... not just to pay your $15 a pay and then sit back and hope they jump straight in the fight for you !
WE NEED TO BE UNITED... SO STOP BICKERING ON HERE, DOWN LOAD THE MEMBERSHIP FORMS FROM THE EMSPA, TRANSFER THE $5 JOINING FEE FROM YOUR BANK, SEND OFF THE FORMS AND START ASKING ... NOT WHAT ARE THEY DOING, BUT WHAT CAN I DO !!
Make sure everyone on your station has a membership application in thier hand by the end of the week... that would be a start !
Forum : ParamedicsNSW Chat
Topic : More Information Required
Blinky Bill, thank you for your post. You do raise some very good questions. I will answer each topic separately which will allow our other members to see how the workings of our new association will benefit them. Can I also say a personal Thank you! to you BlinkBill for your work as an HSU sub branch delegate. This note of thanks extends to ALL sub branch executive members. You guys have been beating your poor heads up against a brick wall for goodness knows how long. I can feel your frustration in your post. Why did you do it? To try help your colleagues because at the end of the day, you love your job and you want to come to work for a "Service" that you can be proud of. So thanks to you and ALL HSU sub-branch exec's. Well mate, that it why I am in the position that I am in. I reckon the job satisfaction can be pretty good and whether I am treating someone for an asthma attack, heart attack or just making granny a cuppa at 3 in the morning, it can be rewarding. But I am sick of not feeling valued in my position by our Service. What is my position? I'm an ICP. I have been in the job for 12 years and I can tell you for the 1st time in my career I can feel something good about to happen. We will finally have a voice. It won't be clouded by politics. It'll be us...just standing up for ourselves and wanting what is best for us and for the people of NSW. Look at Protocol F1. It talks of accountability, responsibility...it'd be nice if "Ambulance" could follow that...well now they will. Trust me...read on...but please note, it is 1:50am, so if there are any typos, please forgive me.
have read the website with interest and an open mind, I am not against Ambulance Officers having their own association, I agree with some of the issues raised, but it leads to more questions. The award expires in July and you state you want to negotiate this award as a new association, you have enlisted a top legal firm, it sounds good. Is this legal firm at a moments notice going to front the IRC at the associations request?
Yes they will as they will be paid to do it. Remember, they are a private commercial legal firm with industrial relations specialists. In fact, there will be a meeting with the Principal of the firm next week to finalise our administrative and legal requirements with regard to the establishment of the association. We are doing this to ensure that what we are doing is done correctly, the 1st time. If you are wondering where we are getting the money, I will tell you. We are being backed by one of Australia's largest private associations. They are funding our set up and budgeting thousands of dollars in set-up and legal fees until we establish our own member base and start banking our own membership subscriptions. Their legal firm have given an absolute undertaking to support us from a legal point of view AND to set up an office in NSW.
If the current award expires in July wont you have to then get more Officers than are currently members of HSU to vote for you to be there representative? I personally feel this may be difficult to do in 4 to 5 months.
I hear you. At this time our association will not be "industrially registered". This comment requires expanding so please bear with me. As we are not "industrially registered" we are able to operate outside the rules of the IRC. Do you recall the "rally" at Martin Place some months ago where the "professional pay rate" rally became something about saving rescue and staffing? The Government apparently told channel 7's Sunrise NOT to give us airtime, we got 4 minutes and no one really knew what was happening? There were alot of cranky Paramedics that day. Then the IRC said, "Listen guys, you're in the middle of your MIC (Major Industrial Case), you can't do this. If the Service said to us to today to call it all off, we would do it. So pull your heads in." Sound familiar? Well as an association, we are NOT bound by the rules of the IRC. We can publicise our case, walk on parliament, get the media involved, put it thru all the newspapers...because we are an association NOT a union tied up with politicians including Michael Williamson's buddies in the Labor Party. So long as we don't act illegally, we're good. Our association can put their (OUR) name to it and the Service can't touch us. That is the power of an association. Now, as far as numbers goes, if we have 1/3 of the vote in terms of staff numbers, we can collectively say "No!" to any offer tabled by ASNSW / HSU. Once we have said a collective "No!" a case will goto arbitration...this is when the fun starts. Our association, on behalf of its members, can make a collective submission to the IRC and have it presented by, you guessed it, OUR private commercial legal firm of industrial relations specialists.
It is envisaged that within 18 months, we will have BIG numbers and will be industrially registered. Imagine that..an association full of NSW Paramedics, run by NSW Paramedics, supported by a private commercial legal firm, taking our case to the IRC. Bring it on, I say. Oh, and if we're not industrially registered by then, we remain a very powerful association who can operate outside the IRC laws etc etc ...can you see where I'm going? Either way, we remain strong.
You have to remember, our Award is a contract between HSU, ASNSW & you, the employee. You, the employee are allowed to have input into your working conditions. We do this as a association of employees and we have our say via our legal firm.
Now, yes, our Award can be renegotiated from July 1st 2009. I think the document said it will run for 3 years from 12 Sept 08 from memory. I don't have it in front of me, in fact I think that page was made into a paper plane for my son. Anyway, the same rules apply. We collectively say "No" if we're not happy with whatever HSU throw on the table and it goes to arbitration. You know what happens from here as I have said above. If however by 12 September 2011 we are industrially registered...look out! Either way, we have OUR say, not that of politicians.
Is the association going to set up Sub Branches? No. Our association will have an executive and regional contact people. It is likely that these positions will mirror ASNSW administrative areas. Such as the 3 Sydney sectors for example, I think Western Division have 3 or 4 Sectors etc etc. This will develop in time as our member base grows. We don't agree with the sub-branch model as it fractionalises paramedics. It seems to be a way that unions gain control or keep the upper hand or something. They gain control of each little sub-branch, keep other sub-branches in the dark. If a vote comes from a sub-branch that the union don't like, they appear to manipulate the sub branches by fractionalising them. Do you remember the meetings that occured when Della Bosca offered that debarcle of a document in October I think. I remember our sub-branch having a unanimous vote on industrial action...we didn't hear from the other sub-branches for days...if ever. What followed...? Nothing. And here we are nearly 4 months down the track, our meal penalties are going (yes, I will get to that) and Greg Rochford appears to be operating ourside the conditions of the IRC. Weren't we supposed to have them phased out or something? Aren't we supposed to be trialling rosters? C'mon Greg, what's happening? Why? A lack of information from the sub-branches. WILL NOT HAPPEN IN OUR ASSOCIATION. Members will be fed real time information regardless of whether they work at Auburn or Ardlethan. How? That thing called the internet. It's such a great tool. As soon as we have info to post to members it'll be on the website and delivered via email.
What Boundries are they going to be and how will the local executive be structured? The state executive are already formed. They are an interim executive. In following the rules set out by law, we must hold an AGM within 3 months of registration. All positions will be up for grabs. It's the usual thing...president, vice pres, secretary, treasurer etc. After that will be have regional contacts as mentioned. This will be built as our membership grows and trust me, from the feeling we are getting, our membership will be big. We will also have station contacts. For those reading this...please consider these positions vacant NOW! Start thinking, start talking. Play a part. This association that you have all been screaming for is here. It is YOUR association and you have to remember that!
As far as boundaries go? Well, not sure how to answer this one other than to say that we are here for members from the Murray River to Mungindi's One-Tonne Post. (G'Day Kevvy!)
Who am I going to call on a friday evening after hours when management atempt to do something to me outside of the award? We are already over worked, are you going to employ full time Industrial Officers? As I cant see already busy officers giving up there time to run an association. It will eventually end up with only a few willing to put the time in? There is a question mark here. Is it a question or a statement? Anyway, this one is quite straight forward. Our current union would not support me in business hours 11 years ago when I needed support. What would anyone expect after hours? Do they actually have someone out of hours that you can contact do they? Anyway your point is valid and your question is very easy to answer.
Our association will have an on-call contact 24/7. Yes it will be a Paramedic who is either on the executive committee or a regional contact? When I say regional I don't mean country regional, I mean area. But we will call him / her a regional contact. You either speak to this person or leave a message. The association's policy is to have an answer within 24 hours. However, let me say this. If management are trying to do something to you outside of the Award, they are will be treading on very thin ice. If it is outside the Award, you are not obliged to comply. If it is a reasonable request and it is within SOP's, the Award or Protocols, then you must comply. That part is a bit of a no-brainer.
Here is an example. Fatigue Management Policy. SOP 2008/05. This was not made into a paper plane as I like this one. Make yourselves familiar with it via the intranet. It is your responsibility to manage your fatigue and the Service have an obligation to assist you to manage your fatigue. But you must also put your hand up. It's 3am and you've been on the go at Bankstown or Parramatta or Boggabri since you started your night shift, or on-call in the case of Boggabri. Ops Centre talk you to another job, let's say an after treatment, or non-time critical case...even a 2B for that matter. If you are tired you must put your hand up and say so. To cut it short BlinkyBill as really, time is getting away from me quite heanously here, if they ask you to do it and your District Manager allows it to happen, put it to them. "I am advising you of my fatigue issue. I need a break as we haven't had one for 9 hours. Are you suggesting you are not assisting me to manage my fatigue and that you want me to just do the job? Well, if they do, they're really leaving themselves open. That will then come down to how you're feeling as to whether you stand your ground or do the job. I'm not you and I can't think for you, but our association WILL EMPOWER YOU. Submit an IIMS entry...the Service love them! Contact your regional contact or on-call person. We will get back to you within 24 hours. We will send a nice little letter from our Association and in this case, might be accompanied by a letter from our (your) lawyer suggesting that "Ambulance" has failed to assist this Officer to managed fatigue per SOP 2008 / 005 and if it happens again the Service will be put on notice and be found liable if an adverse event happens. They said the rules, sometimes we will need to remind them how they operate. By the way, thanks to Evan Clark who is the author of SOP 2008 / 5. One of the more sensible SOPS going around.
In summary, either they are asking you to operate outside the rules or within the rules.
I have spent time on local sub branch executives and currently still am. (I can feel the good in you. Search your soul...sorry, it's getting late...I think Luke Skywalker said that one) I was as was many other officers not happy with the the last offer from the government and certianly was even more disappointed that HSU recomended we took that offer.(Here Here!) I think HSU certanly got the message we werent happy. (Oh they will get the message alright) I mention that I am on an executive purely to highlight that there is a lot of littley issues that crop up from day to day, that HSU dont see, that are just as or more impotant than the big stuff lke award negotiations. There are plenty of times I have had to speek with managment on officers befalf as they dont feel they can make the calls about certian issues themselves. Who is going to do this if HSU is no longer in the picture? YOUR association's representative. This is one of the benefits of not being industrially registered. We can go along with you as a support person. It's great isn't it? Having said that as I said earlier, this association WANTS to empower its members. We are a strong group of people and we are by no means silly. We can stand up and speak on our own and feel really confident doing it now as we will be so strong AND have legal backing. But remember, we must always remain professional to maintain our credibility. If we want to be paid like professionals we have to continue to act like professionals.
I certanly agree that at times HSU seem to connected politicly, but like it or not that comes in handy from time time. I also communicated my dissapointment in HSU directly to the seceraty with the conduct in the last issue.So did I in my resignation letter which I might add was 2 pages long. Then 2 weeks later I got a call from HSU wondering why I resigned. I suggested that if they didn't get the picture somewhere within the 2 pages, then HSU has a REALLY big problem. However, as we will be a very powerful association and lobby group, isn't it great that we can put pressure on whoever is in opposition and make the government look bad by telling them that FACTS about the states Ambulance Service. About how there are numerous times when crews sign on for shift WITHOUT an operational ambulance. This information will be made PUBLIC on our website which is being built as we speak. We will be in the media's pocket and foster public support on issues from ( I hate to say it again but here we go...) the Murray River to Mungindi's One-Tonne Post. Imagine the health reporters turning up at work of a morning and going to our website to check the stats on how many crews worked flat stick yesterday without a break or how many crews had NO ambulance when they turned up for work. Doesn't it make you smile BlinkyBill? I am smiling and it's now 2:25am (ok, I AM on night shift). It won't matter who is in Government, they won't like us because NSW Paramedics will tell it like it is. Why? That same thing again...we want a Service we can be proud of so that we feel happy coming to work and deliver a top class emergency service to the people of NSW.
I look forward to seeing how this association adresses the few questions I have raised above, (BlinkyBill, thank you for asking. Please feel free to throw any other questions you have at me) and I may even join them when it is up and running but at this stage there is still too many un answered questions. Well, keep asking me....
I think loosing the LM and CO meals is disgraceful given the money that officers will loose if the final decision is not in our favour. We should not ever offset any condition we already have for a short term money gain, we must protect our conditions for those that will come after us.
This is true. It is my belief that it is more that LM's & CO's. It is about our hourly rate. But the meal thing is wrong anyway. Our association, while we are not even yet registered (this should happen hopefully within 14 days...as I said we have a meeting with our legal team next week) are already formulating a plan of attack. I cannot honestly say, without speaking to the legal team, what the outcome might be, but here are my thoughts.
Meal penalties are an incentive for the Service to give Paramedics an adequate break. Regardless of what system they have in place, they probably don't care as I reckon they don't have to budget for meal penalties. It probably comes out of some consolidated government secret squirrel fund. In any case, we will continue to get smashed every day shift without a break. But, the Ambulance Service will look really good because they dont have to dip into this fund to the degree that they have. Workload won't change. It's still increasing. But just imagine if they did have to budget for it. We could have a field day with this. On our website...the number of crews who finished on overtime without a meal break. We will hit the media with fatigue related issues, it will be public info on our site. This will become a health and safety issue and could be "putting patients at risk". Hmmm, I here the ears of the media prick up. If the Service do actually budget for meal penalties isn't that strange? That a Service actually budget in an amount because they know they will not get their crews fed. Perhaps the Federal Health & Safety people need to be involved here...our association will have no problems asking for their advice. But what is the real issue? The issue is that the Service don't have the staff or vehicles to match the workload. That is a planning problem. Now, that makes me wonder, exactly what do "Workforce planning do with their time?" Our association is looking forward to this topic.
But getting back to it, perhaps the Service is banking on the fact that no one will go thru the process of doing the maths to make a claim under their "guarantee". Who knows? But what is strange is that Mr Rochford doesn't seem to be phasing them out they way he was supposed to nor when he was supposed to. And what of these trial rosters? Who knows what is going on? Well, our association will be happy to make enquiries with the assistance of our legal team. Surely an IRC would not "Award" an employee a nett pay cut. Hmmm how bizzarre.
As a bit of a side note, given that the world economy is going to hell in a handbag, with thousands of people loosing the jobs and haveing dificulties paying there bills, should we just be asking for cpi pay increases for a coupl of years until the economy is up and running again?? Although we are getting busier we will still get paid every second friday which is currently a better situation than a lot of families out there. I could not agree more with this statement. Regardless of whether we are Paramedics or pilots, who are we to want more when some families are getting less simply because of a poor economy. As far as "just asking for CPI pay increases", I think a reasonable person's own moral judgement can find no argument with you. However someone else mentioned the teacher's 12%. Hmmm, teachers, you hear alot about them in the media. People still call us ambulance drivers...soon they will know all about us! There is a bit more to just driving these days!
What do you think? I think I have had enough of our current situation and am proud to say that I gave myself a pay rise of $21 per fortnight about 3 months ago. Some would say "only 3 months, what were you thinking?" They are right. A politician's honey is the vote. We will have incredible lobbying power using the media and the fact that when someone calls 000 for an ambulance, they want it yesterday. Regretfully, we're often too busy taking people for Dr's appointments of taking people home from hospital. I thought it was the other way around. Oh, emergency calls...that's right. We're an ambulance service too, but our "Service" factor in this "acceptable risk". Well, won't the public love to know what is really happening.
Re Code22 usage by P1 officers.... every new P1 course that is finished the oficers automatically do the 22 component....whether they agree with the ban or not.. they receive their authority to carry, administer etc within days of going back on the road....
A percentage of the other P1 officers did the 22 package with the thought of not using it until the money was finalised...
The rest of the states P1's (who make up the larger number have chosen to remain adhering to the ban.
SO...the first group have no choice because if they dont do it they dont get through their P1 course....the second group are probably just dumb and didnt think it through OR choose to do it anyway because of the 'patient' (not too many patients die from lack of code22 administration But alot of patients die from lack of Oxygen administration)....the third group are still hanging in there for the money to be addressed..AND remember once you have done it you have to use it, you cant with hold Rx 'cos then you are in breach of your clinical protocols!
Wouldn't you think that, at all the sub-branch coffee get-to-gethers where the VOTE was taken to withold doing the upgrade until the money was sorted by HSU, that it was the hsu that was going to pursue the matter on behalf of its VOTING members! I'd think it fair and reasonable that that was ANOTHER HSU stuffup...
OH sorry they were busy FLOGGING and ALREADY ROTTING HORSE with the SRB..at the detriment of money for upgrades, rosters, and the unlawful termination of LM CO with no winding down period (after the 2Health Ministers (1 going and 1coming)stated the status quo was to remain until a fair resolutuion was put).... HSU bashing...NO
bashing in the normal sense is normally regarded as something unwarranted to the demise of an identified victum...this context relates to INAPPROPRIATE MISMANAGEMENT of time, money, and effort for NO outcome!!
The group getting bashed here is not the HSU its is bloody members... Its like taking your car to a dodgy mechanic who keeps taking your money for a trial and error fix on your car and the problem is still always there when you get your car back....value for money?..dont think so.
Maybe, just maybe the HSU has a SECRET PLAN in store and they dont want to let the cat out of the bag. They really are going to do something about all our woes come July award evaluation time...Mmmmm the sneeky bastards.....GUESS WHAT I dont believe it, BECAUSE THEY DONT TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING...oh sorry they do..they tell us they are having ANOTHER STATE DELEGATES MEETING!!! woo hoo!!!
and someone has the balls to critcise the new association for having no plan....PULL your head in PAL...The new association is about what 2 days up and running..your previous representative body has been doing the same ol same ol for about 3 DECADES...Reality Check!!!!!If you want answers go to the association site and ask a question..'cos you wont get any answers on this site..Derrr!
And on a final note.... To anonymous who cut and pasted Spiders post and answered each section with an enlightening 'f#@%ing idiot' response, I'd like to say this.....
Your input by using someone elses ideas was very original..
Your articulation of the English language in your responses was again original...
Your point was, I'd say made in the first plageristic reply and we probably didnt need to have it repeated 4 or 5 times...
But the big message to your whole post was very clear to me...If you honestly think that Rochford, is the single only person who is responsible for where the Paramedics of NSW are at the moment with this whole debarcle and that if he goes then things will get better, then matey I'd say...your the 'F#@&%ing Idiot' as your own ignorance shows just how clueless you really are and maybe need to go and do a tad more research on the structure of the management of your workplace and how it all works...Everyone is entitled to an opinion I'm still at a lose are to what your's is apart from your gramatical prowess!!
Thanks to Real Ambo..It has been an eye opener.. many truely memoranle posts and alot of others that just took up server space!!! I'm off to spend my time and energy in a positive direction..
Thanks for the opprotunity!
"Re morphine
Why is it a HSU fuck up if 750 P1's using morphine. I thought the HSU banned morphine use by P1's till the money was addressed. More likely it is a P1 fuck up by those choosing to do it without addressing the pay. Of course the ASNSW will be loving it."
Bloody spot on. The 750 P1's who are doing it are probably too bloody wet behind the ears to understand why they should have told 'ambulance' to stick it up their arse but they all wanted to be paramedics didn't they and real paramedics use morphine. Wankers!!!!
"I think loosing the LM and CO meals is disgraceful given the money that officers will loose if the final decision is not in our favour. We should not ever offset any condition we already have for a short term money gain, we must protect our conditions for those that will come after us."
It is losing LOSING! ONE s.
."Everyone is entitled to an opinion I'm still at a lose are to what your's is apart from your gramatical prowess!"
and this
"Thanks for the opprotunity!"
Hehehehe.
At last some useful information on this site........read on, this will interest probably most of you.
Facts about penis size
Written by Dr David Delvin, GP and family planning specialist and Christine Webber, psychotherapist
Even in this supposedly enlightened century, men fret about penis size. Though the vast majority of guys have more than enough bulk to perform well as lovers, there is a widespread masculine obsession that 'more would be better'.
We get a constant flow of emails and letters from males who are worried that they are 'too small'. Vast sums of money can be made by exploiting this obsession, but other than surgery, there is little that is clinically proven to increase penis size.
Any woman reading this article may find it puzzling that so many men are concerned about the length of their penis and wish they had 'just a couple of inches more'. But that's the way that a lot of men are.
Size matters
To the average man, his penis is, consciously or unconsciously, one of the most important things in the whole world. At an early age he discovers it and immediately becomes fascinated by it.
But then a note of uncertainty enters his mind: 'Isn't mine rather small?' Look at Dad's, look at big brother's, look at those in the men's changing room - and he asks himself if he will be as big as that.
And so he goes on through life, always a tiny bit sensitive about the size of his organ, always convinced that it would be nicer if it were just that little bit longer.
No matter how often it's written that penile size doesn't matter, and that women aren't attracted to a man because of the length of his organ, the average male continues to think the same way.
The average female cannot understand this obsession with penile measurement. So if you're a woman, never belittle a man's penis in bed, even as a joke, or say anything to indicate that you think it's small. The guy may take you seriously, and if he does, he'll be deeply hurt.
We have known men who have gone on to have problems with impotence (erectile dysfunction) after someone made an unthinking remark about their dimensions. But almost all of these men had a perfectly normal male organ. Each one just thought he was very small compared with other men.
It is also worth noting two points about women:
some women really dislike the idea of a large penis, and may be frightened by one that is too long.
some women are much more impressed by the thickness of a penis, rather than its length. This is because some females like the sense of feeling stretched round the entrance to the vagina – so if a guy is quite broad at the base of his penis, this can feel very exciting and satisfying to such women
A question of perspective
The trouble is that every man sees his own penis in a foreshortened view. The angle at which you look down inevitably makes your penis seem shorter than it is.
But when you glance at another man's organ, there's no such foreshortening effect, so very often it'll look as though the other guy is slightly better endowed.
A lifetime of comparison of this sort (and virtually every male does a quick mental check on each naked man he sees) can easily make you feel a bit inadequate. But it's important to realise the facts about penis length.
Average penis length
A non-erect penis usually measures between 8.5cm and 10.5cm (3-4 inches) from tip to base.
The average figure is about 9.5cm (3.75 inches), but this kind of precise measurement is rather valueless. Many factors can cause a temporary shrinkage of two inches or more, for instance cold weather or going swimming, so you needn't worry if you happen to fall short of the average figure.
Of course, it's true that some men have big penises and some have smaller ones, just as some men have small feet and some have big feet, but the measurement is not - repeat not - an index of virility.
Most people think that a tall man will usually have a large penis, but this is not entirely true. The distinguished American researchers Masters and Johnson measured the penile lengths of more than 300 men.
The largest organ was 14 cm (5.5 inches) in the flaccid state. It belonged to a slim man who was 5' 7" tall (170 cm).
The smallest penis measured 6cm (2.25 inches). It belonged to a fairly heavily built man of 5' 11" (180cm).
It's also worth pointing out that there is no correlation between penile size and race.
GutFul,
Well explained and well said. I really enjoyed your post brother. Your definitely right about the morphine issue. HSU failed to act on behalf of its members when asked to.
Unfortunately a precedent was set many years ago when our sub-branches accepted the P1 upgrade with no remuneration. This pretty much sent a message to the service saying; send us all the new skills and drugs you want to because you can rely on the fact that we won't do anything about it,and by the way how about taking away some of our allowances while your at it.
Anywho, the last post was a perfect example of the type of infantile disruption the new association will have to deal with as it starts to recruit new members.
It appeared to me, from all the ranting and raving about penis’s, the post may in fact be from a “Bull” Lesbian trying subversively to send a message to us all regarding our posts.
How rude, she should realise by now we are all very fragile and sensitive here. Is that you Sharon?
SPIDER
Hey Spider don't you go picking on Sharon. I would trust her before most of you and besides she is way beyond posting infantile crap like that.
Spider, I am your mother-in-law!
The Champ
word on the grapevine is that the HSU and management are desperately trying to barter the four by five roster and another small wage increase to stop the troops leaving the HSU in droves.
Yes I say Hsu and management because if the HSU goes and we get a real union... how in the hell are they going to control us with their bully boy tatics ??
Wait and see but i bet you this will happen very very shortely.... the new Association has scared the piss out of them as they thought is would never get off the ground !
rescue thought they would never loose rescue. hsu are as dumb as them.
Under the current award transitional arrangements it sees Officers from Sydney and the Central Coast not having dined working the last hour of the shift “for free”, the Officer will only be remunerated for 9 hours of the 10 hour shift and having missed a meal will be only entitled to one and only penalty after the seventh hour, there was never any written agreement over the one free hour on night shifts but now the one free hour (if you haven’t dined) has been placed on both day and afternoon shifts, this means that if you return to station at 1700 the Northern Ops have had instruction not to let any staff go till 1800 so Officers are staying back the last hour of the shift without pay.
Shafted again
Dont worry about what the HSU are doing, THEY ARE DEAD, THE BODY HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND THE UNDER TAKER HAS ALREADY DUG THE WHOLE !!!
The only thing that remains is to lower the HSU and its corrupt little group of managers into the ground and to say a few words over the grave.
HOW ABOUT " FUCK YOU... AND THANKS FOR NOTHING "
rescue thought they would never loose rescue. hsu are as dumb as them.
It is fucking LOSE for fucks sake.I bet the rescue blokes can fucking spell, numb nuts. Ever heard of capital letters? Fuck me and he is calling other people dumb hahaha what a knob.
I resigned from the union 4 months ago but didn't direct debit. I sent them a letter advising them I was leaving and got the pay office to stop any further payments. Yesterday I got a letter from HSU telling me I was behind in my payments and that I could fill out the direct debit form and catch up! What a fuckin' joke they are.
To anonymous complaining about HSU and management wanting 4x5.
I want the 4x5 and I'll take a small payrise (any money is good)
So are you saying I should reject this because HSU might retain some members?
Also still waiting for an answer on EMSPA having right to argue a case in the IRC. I hear there no better than a lobby group.
Also to the person who said the educators at Rozelle are training new P1's in morphine admin, this is wrong. I know someonewho completed P1 last week at were not given the morphine lecture.
The Champ
Iam losing $240.00 a fortnight,just on the 4x1hrs free shifts aweek.
I dont know anyone in Australia that works for fucking free,do you out there?
what the fuck is going on,will the new association be able to get my money back that i have lost and will lose before the new rosters come in(may09).
Its bad enough to lose meals and COs,but to have to work for nothing is FUCKED!!!
Thanks you delegates,its fucking you arsholes that screwed me,the ones from the country,its time to really face facts here,at the end of the day it was up to the delegates to demand industrial action,it was up to them to stand by their members.
So its time to stop blaming the HSU all the bloody time,sure there aresholes,guttless,but if they dont have the members,and i bet theres been plenty who have left before the meals and COs were lost,do you think they are going to support us,,,NO
Be fucked if i had not dined and was calling off at 1700 only for the North Ops to tell me i had to work another hour for free.
Where else in the democratic world would that happen.
Grow some balls and you sign off, it is as simple as that.
If that becomes a problem, do what i have done and go and get a good industrial barrister who has no problems suing these cunts at a blink of an eye.
I will even go as far as having him accompany me to sector office if required.
Bring it on cunts, because i am not going to fuck around.
rescue thought they would never loose rescue. hsu are as dumb as them.
It is fucking LOSE for fucks sake.I bet the rescue blokes can fucking spell, numb nuts. Ever heard of capital letters? Fuck me and he is calling other people dumb hahaha what a knob.
March 17, 2009 10:19 AM
i cunt fucking speall bucusse i amn tooo ducking hungrie ufter wukking alll bucking doy wuth no fuckin brake
On the old rosters who stayed on if they hadn't had code 20 at say 1700. You dined and went home. Same thing now. I am in the country but if I was still in Sydney I would be just signing off. I still don't know how our 'new' lunch break works and nobody can tell me. Not the union, not the managers, none of the ambo's on the road. NOBODY. I tried just claiming a call out like someone else suggested and it worked.
i cunt fucking speall bucusse i amn tooo ducking hungrie ufter wukking alll bucking doy wuth no fuckin brake
No you aren't sunshine. You blokes stand around most of the day in hospital bed block so don't tell me how tired you are. When I worked the road back in the 80's we used to actually attend, treat and transport up to 15 cases a day, more on night shift. We carried everyone, never walked a chest pain and non walking nursing home patients had to be carried up AND down stairs and you never EVER called for backup. That was considered weak plus you did it without wearing nancy boy rubber gloves in case you got a germ or some blood on you. We really got tired in those days. Plus we could spell and use correct pronunciation. Well except maybe for JJ. That is why people like you are destined to work the road forever. I think I saw your resume at my last job interview. If not it was someone just like you.
NO gloves wow you are tough, is that why you are in the aids clinic and have hep c and will retire at 65 telling everyone what a hero you are, then we will read your vale 6 months later, because you worked so hard. You didnt call back up because it was weak. You never debreifed.. its weak, just go and drink yourself stupid telling yourself how much you helped everyone. Then retire and fucking drop off the perch. Yeah bring back the old days they where the best man. I wish I worked then.
FUCK OFF
And to add to that all you old fuckers........"I never claim 10 minutes overtime, its not worth it, the ambulance service looks after me, I give a bit too." where is management when you retire, is that them shaking you hand thanking you for not claiming that over time, No its them taking penelties off you. I bet you old fucks wish you kept records now of all those 5 minute and 10 minute overtime periods you didnt claim.
BRING BACK THE OLD DAYS they where the best.
FUCK YEAH
Never had a drink in my life.Don't get stressed and have no diseases so there goes your theory. Now I have to go and make sure you are all out working and not sleeping then I can go find a nice spot and curl up. My house sounds good.
The last post sounds like Allen Dent from the Central Coast,Point Clare to be exact!!!!
Thats his form,screw the worker,so i can show Iam a big Man in Loudfoots eyes,,,,,only Loudfoot fucken hates Dent!!!!
As for the No Gloves fuckwit,its for the patients protection more than yours fuckwit,with Managers like you,who carry around fucken Germs by the bucket load,,,,because thats all you are
a fucken Germ!!!!!
C'mon guys get on board and give this Association a REAL chance. Considering what we had in the past you've got nothing to lose(or is it loose) and a HECK of a lot to gain (forgive my language)
Is EMSPA NSW industrially registered?
No. The process of industrial registration is costly and can take considerable time. EMSPA (QLD) members have decided to begin the process. The direction of EMSPA (NSW) will be up to the members.
However I think history tells us that industrial registration does not ensure that your voice is heard by the IRC. At the end of the day we are all going to have to make a choice. Who do we want to represent us in the IRC? A body that openly states that they have political agendas and affiliations, or our own lawyers?
What are the consequences of not being industrially registered?
Firstly, EMSPA (NSW) would not be able to front at the IRC with an Award submission. However, that was never going to be our intention. EMSPA (NSW) are Paramedics. We would send lawyers to the IRC to act on our behalf. The IRC are bound to consider submissions from groups of employees or “interested parties” in an Award negotiation. With a majority we will simply have a greater say in the negotiation process.
Secondly, we are not bound by the IRC rules. The best example of this is the restrictions placed on our union last year around the time of the MIC as well the current restriction whereby the union have been told to “be quiet” for 3 months. This would not apply to us, as we are not industrially registered. This means we can continue to lobby, rally and gain all the media and public support we can, because we are allowed to. EMSPA NSW cannot be sanctioned by the union, the government or the “Service”.
What about the Award up for renegotiation in July?
With a majority of staff on board, EMSPA NSW will be in an immensely powerful position. Once the Award goes into arbitration, our lawyers will make representation to the IRC, as the employed legal firm “for the majority of employees, or interested parties in the Award negotiation”. We need to have done our homework and put together what we think is a reasonable submission to the IRC. EMSPA (QLD) are about to send Ffrench Commercial Lawyers, namely Andrew Frieberg, to the QIRC. Go to their website and have a look at their submission.
What it comes down to is this: an individual voice will not be heard in the IRC, but a collective body will be. This is why we are going to need numbers if we want OUR voice to be heard.
Also consider this information provided by our Barrister, Mr John Sheply, at a meeting with him last Thursday. New Federal laws will come into play late this year or early next year whereby a lot of IR issues will move to the Commonwealth arena. These new laws will allow “any individual to appoint any agent as a bargaining agent”
Do I have legal coverage for work related matters?
Absolutely. Members are covered for all work related matters where legal representation is required during the course of employment, not just after dismissal. Remember your fees simply sit in a bank account and are there to cover the costs associated with running the Association and legal fees. Go to the “Legal Team” on our website for more information on Ffrench Commercial Lawyers.
What is EMSPA (NSW) doing right now?
Your executive committee have been working incredibly hard to get the Association up and running. We are now working around the clock to develop our member base. In the coming months, we will be conducting information sessions and perhaps the odd BBQ around the state to introduce ourselves to everyone and field questions. This will also give us a good chance simply to get to know our members and obtain an idea of state wide issues.
Some members who have submitted their applications have voiced concerns over not receiving access to the website and forum yet - rest assured that members are being given access as quickly as possible but due to the sheer number of new applications received daily some time is needed.
How will MY individual voice be heard?
Your first point of call will be your Regional Liaison Officer (RLO) for day to day issues. As far as meetings go as Paramedics, we understand that you cannot attend every meeting so we are finalising procedures to ensure that every member in every area will have their views counted. On “big ticket” items or state wide issues, we will use secure online polling to ensure that every Paramedic has a say.
Finally, we have received calls and emails pledging support from across the state. For those who have supported us we send a big THANK YOU! We also ask for your patience during this early phase. We are undertaking enormous change for the better, not only for us, but hopefully for the Service and the public of NSW.
Sounds like a lot of piss and wind at the moment.
How many members do you have at this point in time?
It's funny that the Dent every so often still rates a mention on this site.
Obviously the negative impact he has had on us as a whole has been significant. Yes he was the man to quite often be over heard saying how much he hated the troops on the Central Coast, and was also renowned to use the old bullying, stand over tactics to get his way.
But we all know the old saying that no good deed goes unpunished, the Dents brown nosing tactics have seen him droped a peg or 2 and is now the lacky boy to someone much younger than he.
Rather embarrasing i would think.
As for the last post sounding like it is the Dent, the Dent drinks heaps, would be to big to curl and does not live in his own house, funny that.
Make sure not only you, but all your work buddies fill out the EMSPA membership forms and send them off today... we need a united front.... the setup team have done so much work to get here its not funny. All you have to do is fill out the form and send it off and make sure everyone you know does the same.
POWER IN NUMBERS !
P.S. The management would love to see this fall on its arse and if it does, there will be no stopping them !!! Get you forms in !!
Never had a drink in my life.Don't get stressed and have no diseases so there goes your theory. Now I have to go and make sure you are all out working and not sleeping then I can go find a nice spot and curl up. My house sounds good.
March 17, 2009 11:41 PM
YOu havent retired yet fuck head give it time we will see the vale after you retire, never met an old old x ambo
Appointments and Promotions
While there will be no change to anyone currently
receiving the Specialist Paramedic allowance, future
appointments to Paramedic and Specialist
Paramedic positions will be advertised and
remunerated in accordance with the clinical profile.
For example if a Specialist Paramedic applies for a
Paramedic position and is successful, the
successful Specialist Paramedic will be paid at the
Paramedic rate. This provision has been
implemented by Ambulance with effect from 14
February 2009.
Accrual of time off in lieu
TOIL accrual is now limited to 38 hours before the
This is fucked
Anonymous,
You’re sure right about that one Anonymous. Who was the nitwit that came up the current clinical profiling model anyway? Obviously someone who had a long lunch at the Orange Grove and a joint on the walk back to Rozelle.
It seems certain towns in NSW are entitled to a higher level of clinical care than others? Also ECP numbers are limited in some towns (some just one, some towns none) because the service wants to save a few dollars an hour on wages and the cost of a replacing a few expired drugs?
Christ these people are stupid, just imagine that one being leaked to the media. Surely someone with half a brain thought of that. I can see the headlines now “Mrs. Smith was unable to be resuscitated successfully because the ASNSW considers the resuscitation of cardiac arrest patients in smaller towns less of a priority than patients who live in larger centers.
I thought everyone in NSW was entitled to same quality of pre-hospital care. Obviously not!
Try to convince someone that the quality of pre-hospital care that was provided to their love one was based on a financial consideration.
BE ADVISED - IT BETTER NOT BE ONE OF MY RELATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPIDER
Fucking rich, lazy sloths with too much time on your overpaid and unwashed hands.
Get a life and work hard at least for one day.
Fucking whinge whinge and more fucking whinge. That's all I ever hear from you wankers.
Rochford is screwing you because you all let him screw you.
Look everyone, from the last post it looks like one of those lowlife uniformed managers we all talk about has joined the forum. As you can see from his post he is certainly a class act and something for us all to aspire to.
Someone who abuses his position of power and rank because he knows he can get away with it with the help and support of our union and the service. This is because he is a member of our union and because he also holds a position of influence and power within the service.
And look his using the old HSU Line it’s all Rochford’s fault.
This type of manager as I said is a power abuser who is really only covering up his own feelings of inferiority. Power is sought for its own sake and used irresponsibly to hurt others. Didn’t Adolf Hitler do the same thing?
You must be very proud Nitwit.
SPIDER
They still want you to keep the higher skill, they just dont want to pay for them. and we let them, we are dick heads. And the higher skilled people will still use there skills, so they dont loose thm and they can put in for another job one day.
Well first pay without Meal Pens and COs.
460.00 down,Oh of cause we wont be worse off.
How does that work?
I hope you are happy out there in the country and North beaches,nice work delegates,,,how do i explain to my kids,that the maths tutoring,the football,the dancing has to go.Thanks again you bastards.
we were never united,and never will be!!!!
Yeah me to mate, but hey are the gutless fuckers that have been sitting on their hands doin nothing and voting against us, how do ya tell the missus tonight when she asks why are we short at least 400 bucks. The answer is hun i am a useless dumb fuck that for some reason put the political career of Williamson and the Roach before my family and the well being of my work mates.
We didn;t walk out on the grass because it was immoral, well what is the difference now ya pricks.
hey numb nuts, don't blame country officers, we're well and truly on your side. If our HSU delegates didn't vote in favour of you blokes it's not our fault, we all know how lame they are. As a matter of fact I know anyone I've spoken to is embarrased we're now getting call offs because we don't need or deserve them and we'd all be willing to give them up if it meant you guys could have your old system back. We're under no illusion that our call outs are next in the firing line and we'll need your support then.
It is you fault fuck head because you dont go to the meetings.
Now asking for no bullshit on this site is a bit of a strecth, but how much are peoples pays down?
Our pays are down from anywhere from 450.00 to 700.00 a fortnight,after tax!
if you country wont take the blame and you blame your delegates then who put the barsteads in that position.If you knew they were not going to stand up for us,then why didnt you call for a vote of NO Confidence,and elect someone who would vote for industrial action.
I can tell you now that there will be no way in hell,will we on the central coast or sydney will support you country people.
your only saving grace will be if the new association stands up for you,and that will then be our $15 paying for that.
Our Delegates on the central coast stood up up for industrial action,but even the likes of the Northern sub branch didnt.I find it so hard to beleive that he is responsiable for money lost by his own work mates.
This is a joke,no one one in this day and age should never have to loose that much money out of their wage.
Times are hard enough.
The offer of compensation placed forward by Gregy Boy was well thought out, it was for this year only, who's pay will be down this year as our hourly rate is slightly up and there has been some back pay, no ones going to be able to claim, well thought out Greg you've shafted everyone again come on the 9th of may so you can fuck off now you've done you damage. See you at ICAC
The decision to take away COs and Meals just dosn"t effect the lack of money each fortnight,what about the people who pay Child Maintence,this is based on their Gross Annual wage.
But if they are getting less from now on,how will they be able to afford to pay this and live themselves.
This situation will not corrrect itself untill the 2010-2011 income tax.So in effect they are totally worse off.This will cause undue hardship,more stress,sick leave,etc etc.
What about people who went and got loans for a house,based on their Gross Annual wage.
This too will effect how much they are able to pay.We are worse off,we are back to 20yrs ago.
There should of been a Grandfather Clause put in to Protect these workers.
This means that if you are new to an area that has COs and Meals you are not entilted to get it.Yet if you have worked in these areas for some time you will retain your Compensation for Meals and COs.
I cant understand for the life of me,,,how people can do nothing,and give away money.
As far as iam concerned,all keys to ambulances should be put in a bucket,and ambos walk off untill something is worked out to benefit the worker.
With loss of these penalitys,we are back to around $19 per hr.
so much for the pay rise!!!
Good News,,,,,,,Allen Dent going 3 weeks.Point Clare station
Hes been paid out,,,I would say its because its heating up with ICAC.His name is all over it,But will he be accountable for misuse of funds,abuse,bullying misuse of power,,,spying,,,should i go on???? No because hes been a good boy at screwing his workers.
Oh thanks DENT for the good times.
May you fucking rot in hell,you are nothing but a big fucking sloth!!!!
give us real figures, last f/n pay compared to this f/n
12:42 20/3
as i said $450.00 mate.thats the difference from last pay to this pay.
for others it maybe more.
$2389 down to $1807
A drop of 582.00.
thats alot to expect people to cope with.I wonder how Della Bosca will go when Labour dont get in at the next election?
Take from the front line ambo,so the health dept can show they are improving.
I still dont understand how people can give up so much!!!!
Yeah fair dinkum, i was paid a little over $1600.00 as a a/o 1:2, i normally after tax bring home between $2000 to $2100 a fn
Thats just sad, I feel for you guys, we out in the bush will be with you shortly, when they attack our call outs, it will have nothing to do with support from city, they will just do it, and we will roll over and take it.
poor poor country people,maybe you should of got rid of your delegates.The wrighting has been on the wall for a bloody long time!
you all cant read i guess.
Ive lost 588.00 this fortnight!thanks,but still got fucking flogged for fucking nothing.
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Clive Peeters Casula in conjunction with "Go Research Fund" is offering a one night only of discounts on a range of electrical appliances complete with Auctions and Raffles for charity. A Percentage of all store sales will be donated to “Go Research Fund”. Proceeds from auctions and raffles on the night will go towards Ovarian Cancer Research.
Over $10,000 worth of products are up for grabs in the auctions and raffles including....
> Side By Side Fridge/Freezer
> Stainless Steel Dishwasher
> European Oven
> Plasma TV
> Dyson Vacuum Cleaner
> Italian Induction Cooktop
> Automatic Coffee Machine
> Bosch Circular Saw
> Homedics Massage Recliner
> VS Goddess Hair straightner
> Paloma Gas heater
As part of the fundraising activities, Chief Executive Greg Rochford will have a cook off against Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione and a NSWFB representative in a “Ready, Steady, Cook” inspired competition.
For the kids there will be a Nintendo Wii play off, face painting, clowns and magicians and everyone who attends will get a free gift bag.
Date: Tuesday 24th March 2009
Time: 6.00pm to 9.00pm
Venue: 104 Parkers Farm Place, Casula, NSW 2170
RSVP: Clive Peeters Casula store on 9607 1800 (for catering purposes)
...could this be an opportunity to voice your concerns in person to our faithful CEO in front of his pals, and the public?
Spider what would those nitwits in Sydney know. Those damned uniformed managers have driven the agenda to kill call offs and late meals.
They are nothing but HSU cronies and they deliberately went out of their way to screw the paramedics and they did this to fund their 15% pay rise.
The way they got this past Roachford was unfair and only because of their contacts with the HSU and Labour Party. These uniformed managers are so powerful and can’t be beaten so I am glad they can’t join the new Association.
You and I know Roachford wanted to keep meal penalties for us in Sydney and he actually wanted to give us more. Poor Roachford he couldn’t win and his hands were tied. He wanted to help but he couldn’t even though he had access to the best IR minds of NSW Health. Those fucking managers had everything to gain and nothing to lose!!!
And remember,
”POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT,
ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY”
Spider. You continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
Your post of March 15, 2009 10:32PM - “It appeared to me, from all the ranting and raving about penis’s, the post may in fact be from a “Bull” Lesbian trying subversively to send a message to us all regarding our posts. How rude, she should realise by now we are all very fragile and sensitive here. Is that you Sharon?” also confirms that you are a gutless prick.
You’re a big man aren’t you Spider. When you crawl out from that rock you are hiding under mate I hope someone jumps on your fucking head and squashes you.
In the meantime I will still occasionally look at this blog and no doubt you will still be there being an absolute fucking idiot with your baseless and ill informed comments and continuing to demonstrate that you have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
http://www.hsu.asn.au/Documents/9053-AmbulanceForumDetails.pdf
Here we go again.
What planet are you on John,we have had a pay cut idiot.
I cant even afford private fucken health insurance dickhead.
god help me if one of my family members get cancer.
I have emailed,Della Bosca,Ray Hadley,Jullian Skinner,M Williamson,about my pay cut.520.00 this pay.
I will do this every fortnight with proof of my loss.
The rest of you out there need to do the same,every fucken fortnight.
Thats Sad,
Fuck you ya cunt i would luv to meet you a pub cause i would belt ya stupid ya dumb fuck, fuck you and your family
What do you expect from people?
8:46 20/3
your inviting people to a fund raiser,and people are trying to work out how they are going to pay their bills,with the pay cut they have just recieved.
As for telling Greg how I feel on the night of the cook off,I would rather put his head on the B-B-Q and cook it.!!
And mind the swearing its not neccessary.
To post 6:44 20/3
I looked up that site,what am i looking for?
I dont think I put in the correct info,
could you explain please,
thanks
I didn't ask, expect, or tell anybody to do or pay anything. I believe I highlighted an opportunity that an intelligent and civilized individual or group thereof might take advantage of. Sitting back wishing Roachford's head was being slammed into a BBQ will achieve nothing, and merely fuel your anger. Same goes for actual threats or violence against anyone. The right attitude in the right place can have a tremendous effect. If you don't ask, you don't get.
Stop the whinging and act. If everyone on your station is not flooding Skinner, Della Bosca, Hadley, Alan Jones, Today Tonight, A Current Affair, local MPs, Newspapers, Williamson and even Roachford and whomever else relevant, with e-mails about their massive pay cut and crappy treatment - with evidence - than help them. Stand together and help each other for Christ's sake.
I lost $450 this fortnight and like anon am now going to have to cancel my health insurance... and god help me or any of my family get sick !
we fucking rolled over on this one and we will roll over on the roster the management want too .... if you want to know how this happens, just look at the HSU deligates and if you really want to know... just ask Greg Bruce from the North, that is if he gives a shit now that he has his dream station. Bet he drops the position like a stone at the next election ( wait and see )
Re: http://www.hsu.asn.au/Documents/9053-AmbulanceForumDetails.pdf
It worked for me. The HSU is going to host an Ambulance Forum in Sydney to discuss pay conditions!!! Another junket for the delegates to go to at the expense of it's members. I quit months ago and they sent me a letter telling me I was behind in my union fees...Fuck 'em.
Yeah I saw that too. The delegates also get paid by HSU to attend. What a joke. They are going to take 2 days to discuss pay conditions and then what? Will they come back and tell us what they have decided? Ask us our thoughts? They should know our thoughts by now. Increase the hourly rate or bring back some means for us to make any money i.e our call offs and late meals.
2nd and 3rd April
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Marble Rooms 2 and 3
Minimum Room Rate start at $450.00 plus
Cost of hiring Marble Rooms 2 and 3 – Shitloads
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It seems our delegates are meeting up for a feel-good conference. We are paying for the cost of this junket so that our delegates can go away and focus? come up with the solutions we need? find the extra effort required?
This is not doubt going to be an impressive conference. A great deal of effort has clearly gone into ensuring that our delegates will be kept comfortable and happy in a Luxury 5 star hotel while being exposed to some of HSU’s best industrial relations brains.
The proceedings on achieving professional rates for NSW ambulance paramedics should be spectacular particularly if Michael Williamson’s presentation is accompanied by an audiovisual display and hostesses with big hooters.
I’ve always said if something looks like a junket and has all the hallmarks of a junket, the chances are that it might in fact be a junket.
This conference might be slightly educational and it might be diverting, but it is still a blatant, outrageous junket. This is, in reality, a conference for bludgers that has been made possible by our own stupidity.
SPIDER
Whats it matter to you rock spider, I thought you resigned from HSU, its not your money, and now that theres an association and your getting everyone you know to join. So calm down rock spider you fool.
Anonymouse,
“What does it matter to you rock spider? I thought you resigned from HSU. Its not your money. Anyway, now that there is an association you can get everyone you know to join that instead. So calm down rock spider you fool!”
Just thought I’d tidy up your last Blog. I had difficulty reading it and expect others would have the same difficulty. Hope you don’t mind Nitwit.
SPIDER
Thanks for clearing it up Spider. Since most of us have only left the HSU in the past few months it is still in fact our money paying for it. I am just glad my union money is now going towards my own holiday in a 5 star motel.
Re: HSU forum
All you whingers who arent in HSU why do you care how they spend their money, they dont care how you spend yours. I'm not in HSU so I dont give a rats.
Check a HSU delegates phone bill (I've seen them, used to work with a delegate) thet arent paid by HSU and can amount to several hundred a month. Who cares if they get a junket once in a while, it isnt their fault you got a pay decrease, ASNSW pushed the issue and the IRC agreed.
PS Hate whinging rescue, ya lost get over it and start transporting patients like the rest of us. Sick of hearing about how you lost your job, compare yourself to one of the 1800 Bonds Clothing industry personnel who really did lose their jobs. Worse thing for you rescue lot now is you have to actually work for your dollars.
PPS Sydney blokes, I'm sorry you lost your penalties but you whinge about loss of pay causing you to stop contributions to your health fund while others out there cant feed their family. Yeah the press and management/Della Bosca must really feel sorry for you in this financial climate.
Tsk, Tsk. Spider, Spider, Spider - when will you ever learn.
Your post “It seems our delegates are meeting up for a feel-good conference. We are paying for the cost of this junket so that our delegates can go away and focus? come up with the solutions we need? find the extra effort required?" confirms you have no idea. Nitwit, nitwit, nitwit.
What do you expect the HSU to do? Sit back and do nothing? They still have coverage of our Award you gargantuan nitwit. My god son you have been in the bush screwing sheep far too long (my apologies for all other country officers no offence intended to you!)
Actually I take that back because it is really offensive to compare you to any decent ambo across NSW.
Sorry country brothers and sisters for the sheep shagging comment. Only Spider would do something like that because he is so fucked in the head.
Spider. What more can I say but you continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
Give it a rest mate. Your time is over you dumb shit.
SPIDER’S TOP TEN
TOP TEN REASONS IT IS EXCELLENT TO BE IN THE SAME UNION AS YOUR BOSS
10. When you finally get promoted into management you don’t have to alter your direct debit details to pay union fees. How convienient!
9. You can share your union newsletters with management. And vice versa.
8. Management and you don’t ever have to worry about taking responsibility for anything because at the end of the day you can always blame Rochford and the Executive.
7. Managers and you have a common interest you can both talk about. Now that's nice.
6. Convincing other ambos into believing that being in the same union as management will give you extra clout to win an IRC wage claim. Wrong!
5. Never having to worry about getting representation from HSU if it is about a conflict of interest issue.
4. You and your boss can both share a shitty holiday together at HSU’s holiday accommodation at Sussex Inlet. How romantic.
3. You sit down with a manager to discuss a grievance you have about another manager and you always come to the conclusion it’s Rochford’s fault.
2. Fooling probationary ambos into believing that management is not in their union. You would be surprised how many you can fool.
And the number 1 reason: DRUM ROLL............
1. Getting together at JCC meeting with your Operations Manager and District Manager where you all get the chance to prattle on about what a prick Rochford is.
SPIDER
(my apologies for all other country officers no offence intended to you!)
No offence taken, but I fuck cows where I live.
Dear John,
we did ask to keep meals and COs,but still didnt get it!!!!
Yes you didnt ask anybody for anything,,,your correct.
But who in there right mind would want to even talk to Rochford,he is a worm,guttless,mongrel.
He has taken away money from all of us,without any thought to the consquences of his actions.
This will effect many for many years,yet he will go on his merry way,in May 09,with a truck load of gold coins,and we are left to cope and just get over it,I dont think so.
Maybe you John,, are a manager who received a decent pay increase,us AOs didnt.So this loss,wouldnt even cross your minde.
Its lovely you want to raise money for a worthy organisation,but at the moment many need to raise enough to live.Maybe you should of thought of that,instead of advertising on the very day, ambos were to lose so much.
I will be surprised if anyone from the Ambulance will be on "The junket trip of a life time"
oh managers i would suspect,hasnt all AOs resigned from the HSU yet?
If you havent then you are all no better than Williamson himself.
Even Dennis Ravlich has gone on Stress leave.So thats got to tell you somethink.
I know you all are angry, so am I. I'm not a manager, my pay has dropped substantially. I'm not advertising anything, I merely cut and pasted an email that was sent to me... and angered me as well (I can't afford to donate money either, although it is a worthy cause). I think my point has been missed. I thought it may be an opportunity to force Roachford to act... maybe I'm just a stupid idealist. I'm sorry I dared to dream that maybe we can all stand together and take control of our lives and careers. Maybe it was a stupid idea, but I still believe actions speak louder than words. I told a patient once "if you are trying to achieve something one way, and it doesn't work, try another way". Sounds like stupid advice, but how often do we forget and continue to make the same mistakes? We are all professionals, and we are all a special kind of person (who else would keep coming back to the horror that we see). We can do better.
Check your spelling before you post, mistakes and bad language make you look stupid.
NSW Department of Premier and Cabinet, Performance Review: Ambulance Service of NSW, June 2008
Suicide
While it is not possible to establish if the level of suicide in the Ambulance Service is higher than comparative occupations, it is clear is that some officers have thought about or attempted suicide, and that they feel that the way they are managed is a major contributor to their poor mental health
“they feel that the way they are managed is a major contributor to their poor mental health”
Nothing has changed. How does Loudfoot get away with the way he treats his officers?
I agree,
If anyone is out there reading this, Please help us, Paramedics, people that devote their lives and give up a "normal" life to help others, to save a life, at the expense of their own, need help now. Please help, we are suffering.
In 30 years in the job I have never seen us bleed like we are at the moment. I am optimistic to think it will get better. We are expected to give 100% to our patients but who is looking after us. Had any long term sickness issues lately? How were you treated by "Ambulance"? I hope none of you get seriously ill out there. The reaction I got when I told them I would be off for some time was "you're joking" followed some time later with a 6 month probation.
I have never seen my colleagues so stressed. Even when they are attending multiple traumas, copping abuse, performing CPR on a child the same age as their own child... I have never seen the pain and demoralization I see in them today. I believe the money is the final straw. It's obviously a multitude of things, but this latest slap in the face has knocked people down. What did we do to deserve this? People put their life into this job, for the life of total strangers, and slowly but surely we are taken advantage of. We are here to help anyone and everyone, we come to work prepared to face chaos at a moments notice. We prepare to face this over and over. We shouldn't have to worry about mistreatment from our managers, they should support us no matter what. How could you not? We shouldn't have to sacrifice our own health just turning up for work, but at the moment I'd say most of us are at high risk for strokes and MI's, I don't know about you but my BP is sky high. I'm appealing to those with the power to make changes. Please help us.
It’s only a matter of time before there is another Christine Hodder case. Nothing has changed. Rochford has failed to act to stop the systematic abuse of his officers if they ask for help or complain about the way they are being treated by management. He will be seen as guilty by association and just as culpable as the harassers in the end.
How many ambos need to complain before someone does something to help them. It’s only a matter of time before one of our colleagues is pushed just that little bit to far again.
Re: SPIDER’S TOP TEN
You probably think you are funny however you are nothing but an idiot.
You are a person who obviously lacks any professional skill and a person so mentally deficient you are incapable of any ordinary or logical reasoning hence your little foolish and stupid utterances.
While Sydney paramedics out there are suffering and so distressed about the major cut in pay you continue to herald the leader of our organisation, Roachford, as a saint.
You obviously choose to read what you want in these blogs and ignore the cries of paramedics saying the Service is the worst they have ever seen for many, many years.
Go on keep blaming the managers and HSU but who is ultimately responsible? Go on Spider try and work it out.
Roachford’s most recent scam telling paramedics that they can apply for a salary review if their 2008-09 salary is below the previous financial year has obviously slipped past your feeble little mind Spider. But you believe him don’t you Spider.
The fact that every paramedic has received at least an additional 8%, and have had meal penalties for 9 months of the current financial year, will see each and every one earn more than the previous year. But what does this mean little Spider?
I will spell it out for you because you have absolutely no fucking idea. Paramedics in Sydney will be no better off because the little increase they will receive over last financial year means in real terms they are definitely worse off overall.
The first pay after Roachfords killing off meal penalties have paramedics already seeing huge reductions in their pay. This is where the real loss in salary begins.
Most paramedics in Sydney probably dont fully appreciate that they will earn less next financial year compared to this current year.
Paramedics in Sydney deserve so much more that the deal they are stuck with now. They are flogged every day and rarely get any down time at station. Not like you eh little Spider?
As I have said before Spider, you continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on.
My opinion of you only gets worse and I am sure there are many paramedics who are now starting to agree. I am now convinced the state or condition you are suffering is called profound mental retardation.
Go and get some help for yourself you sick bastard.
You are so right on three fronts. I have just done some sums and I will be worse off next financial year unless I work more overtime than I currently do. We have been fucked over big time by Rochford. Spider definately has no fucking idea so I wish he would shut the fuck up with his crap. This sucks!
the issue over loss of income needs to go to the media.
Why are so many so scared to speak out to the media?
All other avenues have been tried over and over.
The loss of income was not just the svcs fault,they are in the business to stay afloat.
But for a union to do nothing,is crimminal.
I have always beleived the union was there to insure workers rights were not eroded,money was not lost, and workers would not be worse off.
The week before the meals were to go,the HSU revisited this issue,because of the many and I say many emails,the HSU recieved directly from the members,saying that they were for industrial action.
Now your delegates knew this,but still after this meeting,the likes of Greg Bruce,santa clause,Warren Boon and others still voted to not to put industrial action on.
The HSU should of over rid the delegates and went ahead with industrial action.They know that people would not want to lose money,,,,who in their right mind would.
So it is time to let the HSU go,not have anythink to do with some of these delegates and make sure that these delegates DONT hold any position in the new association,they are rats,that run back to management with tails.
Its time to protect ourselves,its also time to let the media know there is a new association,that Ambos have been shafted by their Union and Employee.
Its up to us to make a change,and only us.otherwise history will repeat its self.
Can they sack you for speaking out,,,,NO
Just look how far these Ambos have gone to set up this new association.I bet they have been getting a hard time,but they are brave,and know what is right.
Its time to support this cause,and be better off for our future.
To John,yes you have a right to be angry,but telling Greg our Problems will do nothing but make us look like we are grovlling to him.There is no way in HELL would i give him that satisfaction.
What would come out of my mouth would not be nice and I would end up in jail,he is not worth it.
BRUCE
LEWIS
BOON
RUMBLE
All fucking SPINELESS and Inept
Ands whats with you fuckwits that get your photo's taken with OL'Crazy Eyes and the Flight Attendent for feel good fucking stories for sirens.
Tell them to fuck off, you don't want your photo taken with them smiling like all is well in the world.
I think there should be NO Ambo getting their photo taken with these pair of FRAUDULANT FUCKS.
And for you scared ones out there, NO, you can not get sacked for refusing to have your photo taken or receiving an award.
Fuck the lot of ya
Thankyou
Anonymouse,
What you said was not very interesting at all. Everybody and I mean everybody knows paramedics in Sydney are far worse off than they ever where. Why you keep on trying to explain that point to everybody is beyond me.
Management’s HUGE payrise was paid for by what we lost. Let me explain it to you. P1’s as you say gained 8% but lost overall because of the lose in allowances etc. This figure also didn’t take into account CPI, sometimes called cost-of-living index, in case you didn’t know nitwit, which runs presently at around 3% a year. Then take a look at a P1 Officer with the rank of D/O. A 28% payrise. I say again a 28% PAYRISE. Are you starting to get the picture yet nitwit?
Now doesn’t it seem a little strange that we argue and debate with management for over 3 years for better wages and conditions and THEY get the payrise. Why because they run our union as they always have, and because they are members in it just like us. Anyway you need to ask yourself what has your union done about this. I’ll tell you, fuck all. Now as I said the service runs like a business like any other business so of course they will try and save money where they can. If you want to blame Rochford, just one man for our lose, than go for it.
Our delegates can’t agree on most things, some like to suck up to management anyway to further their own careers and some wouldn’t know the difference between shit and clay. You don’t seem too bright anonymouse. I reckon I could come around to you place ravish your wife of girlfriend, burn your house down, kill your cat and you would just stand there like an idiot and blame Rochford.
So there you have it nitwit….your fucked, and probably the most obscene thing is you are probably still paying for the privilege.
SPIDER
"Ands whats with you fuckwits that get your photo's taken with OL'Crazy Eyes and the Flight Attendent for feel good fucking stories for sirens.
Tell them to fuck off, etc"
Hear hear. I totally agree with you there mate.In fact I am so fucking pissed off with people receiving awards for shit. Tell them to jam them up their arse too in protest. Helicopter crews nominating themselves for hero awards for jobs they are trained to do. I hear some people have been nominated for an award for treating a patient trapped in an MVA. How fucking many of them do people do every day. AN AWARD!!! Oh hang on I forgot, a senior manager happened to be there at the time too and he is being nominated as well!! Fuck me. I hope those ambo's tell them to jam it... Yes anybody who gets their photo taken with Ol' Crazy Eyes and his corrupt mate are on my hit list when I snap.
I am only going to say this one more time. WE NEED TO PICK A DAY AND ALL I SAY ALL WALK OFF.
I agree with anonimous we need to walk. nobody takes us serious and we need to show them we mean business.
I agree let's walk. I also agree with spider management got a shitload of money compared to us especially those cunts about the rank of d/o. fuck me are we stupid or what
http://nsw.emspa.org.au/
Another choice for decent honest Ambos.
I'm not asking anyone to grovel, I just think we should approach the very people who have the power, and hit them where it hurts. These people will not respond to lower class threats and verbal abuse, in fact this kind of action will make things worse! "If the hunter wants the lion to understand, he must speak the language of the lion". (Not that these people are by any means Lions). If politics is their language, than politics is the language we must speak. Am I making any sense? We deserve a better workplace. The public, as a whole, deserve a better service. We should be "the world leaders" in our field. We should be the service everyone turns to fir "pre-hospital" medical treatment. Event managers should not crack the shits with us and hire private bidders, we should be the worlds best. When someone is seriously injured, they should be glad it happened in NSW, because we SHOULD be the best of the best. Its gone horribly wrong. Lets strive for what is right and start the action now!
John.
"We must speak the language they understand"
You sound like a HSU delegate during our last pay claim.
It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt (except for some dumb ambo's)that the softly softly approach, the go through the right channels approach, the "we don't want to upset them because they will be making the decision approach, the FUCKING got to be seen to be doing the right thing FUCKING approach.
DOES NOT WORK
Time for OLD SCHOOL on the grass UNITY
For fuck sake wake up you FUCKING MORONS
ps the only photo you will see of me and OL' Crazy eyes is when I am Punching the fucker in the throat
I cant wait to see that photo,,,,please make it soon,,,,I need some good news in my life at the moment.
And then everyone should walk for you,just to really let them know how we feel.
central coast
Ferry engineers get a payrise and they don't even make a deal of it. They just tell the govt silently that they will walk. The govt can't do without ferries. Well how would they deal with not having an ambulance on the road. The public would go WTF we have never heard the ambo's do this before must be serious. Lets just do it. Tell the fucking HSU delegates that is what we want and fuck them if they don't like it.
I want to see that photo too. Front page of Sirens. The look on Ol' Crazy eyes face would be well worth it. Now please no more feel good photo's with them. No hang on that won't work. There will still be the suckoles that will have their picture taken with OCE's and the Hostess. We all know who they are.The Parsell's the John's et al. Great to see that the Emlpoyee of the Month has been going to office staff mostly. I am assuming the road ambo's have snubbed it. How embarrassing being awarded that thing. That SO chick that won it last year is probably doing a great job but they will eventually wear her down too and the award won't help her. I wonder how Louise Hennessy is going now she blew the whistle on the dirty pricks. Has she been posted to Wilcannia yet?
Arrrrgh!!!!! You're not listening, you are so blinded by your rage. I didn't say anything about the "softly, softly" approach, I said "hit them where it hurts", If that means on the grass, then so be it. But use your brains, weigh up the consequences and start with some intelligent action. Rally support, get everybody motivated, ensure you are not going to be left standing by your lonesome looking like an idiot who is only interested in money. Do your homework!!!! If you want to punch Roachford in the throat, that's your prerogative, maybe it would force action. Mind you, you'd probably end up in the clink and without a job. We are all hurt, stressed and angry and want things to change NOW. I just want to emphasize that if we want something to change we have to take action and that starts with you. You are angry, you need to channel that anger into something useful. I say first point of call is unification, level 1 and 2's too overwhelmed and afraid to step up. Old buggers that are more concerned about whinging than leading the way. We need to unify, and that means working on it every day. Get your arses into gear.
John,what your saying makes perfect sense,you want to rally support, do your homework,weigh up consequences,start with intelligent action and achieve unity.........if you and everyone else joins EMSPA you will be able to achieve ALL the above with the support and importantly the PROTECTION of the Association.
So ,I think the most important thing any pissed off Ambo can do is join EMSPA to give it the strength of numbers.
Spider. You continue to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and have no idea whatsoever of what really goes on. Go fuck yourself you wanker.
Anonymouse,
You big bully! I have the feeling you might be one of our inept managers or maybe your just stupid. Probably the later.
“Bullying” is aggressive behaviour that tries to intimidate, humiliate or undermine a person or group. An example of bullying includes: swearing at a worker, aggressive gestures or by isolating or ignoring a worker. Bullying results from one person or a group needing to dominate or show superiority over another person. In cases where workers have UNITED and acted on anti-bullying in the workplace strategies, the situation has changed dramatically often ending
with the removal of the perpetrator/s.
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“Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, they send forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centres of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change”. Robert F. Kennedy.
Goodnight Nitwit, sleep well.
SPIDER
If all us old buggars are whingers are we allowed to join to. Hey John the only reason you have what you have today is because of us old buggars. If it wasn't for us old buggars you would still be carpeted for using a stethoscope, have no idea what a patients BP is (god only knows half you young fuckwits couldn't figure that out without a cuff) would still be re-using your suction tubing and be driving ambulances with a single red beacon on the roof. If you could just lower yourself for a minute to understand that there are some old buggars that have been there done that in industrial relations out there and if they weren't made to feel that they are old has beens by all you young blokes you might find they could bail you out of this mess but fuck it. In my case I am out in 1 year and I don't give a fuck about any of it. You are all going to get the future you deserve. Look at the names of the HSU delegates mentioned earlier and they are all still wet behind the ears. No wonder the service is in the state it is. Hey you should have been around in the good old days. Great job. No hospital block and good money and awards. Taylor made uniforms every year whether you wanted them or not. Bosses who would back you all the way, patients who would apologise to you for calling you out in the middle of the night. Yep I have seen the best of it and have some great memories of what was once a great job.
I tell you what is going to happen. You are all going to end up as ambulance drivers. The Fire Brigade is going to take over all urgent medical responses and you will end up doing the routine stuff if you are lucky. Noticed how many hospital ambulances are around these days. Notice how many are single crewed. The govt will note that if a hospital ambulance can transport a CT scan single then they don't need to pay us for dual crewing. There are Fire stations in every town. EVERY town. They will all be trained and the push will be on to take over and in everyone's eyes it will make perfect sense. It works in the US and of course if it works there it has to work here right? We may even be privatised. They have been hanging that over our heads for more years than I care to remember and why not. The FB can call us if needed and our private company can be on a roster like the towies. Think it can't or won't happen. Think again.
What happened old buggar? You think we don't respect you, but we do. I put alot of work in to know what I know, but I still think I have alot to learn. Most of my knowledge wasn't learned from ASNSW, it was from many, and repeated experiences. I think, and many would agree, that in this job there is no substitute for experience. It pains me endlessly to see that people who have been on the road many,many years be treated as they have been.I would love to be mentored by someone with years of experience who wants me to learn and become a great Ambo. But I got stuck getting trained by people with not much more experience than me. I try to sponge as much knowledge as I can from those I respect, but when you are constantly working with probationers, there's only so much you learn. What you do learn is to make do. You make do with what you have and try to do your best, all the while thinking you are not good enough, doubting yourself, hoping you have not forgotten anything, hoping you have done your best. I mean no offence to you old buggar. In fact I often use "old buggar" as a term of endearment. We all need to stick together, and we need guys like you. I don't know you, but it sounds like years or disappointment have left you bitter. I wish you could feel as you did when "the job was great" and hand over your knowledge and wisdom.
Whats wrong with a Fireman putting out FIRES. Leave our jobs alone you arseholes.
Ok John you are forgiven, Hugs all round. I am bitter but not because of the job, because of the people now running it. The actual physical part of going out and treating genuine sick people is still good. What annoys me is that after you have done the job especially a drowning or some other serious case you are then scrutinised behind your back to see if it was done properly and usually done by people who know less than you do normally. It amazes me to sit back and watch how complicated some people make this job for themselves. That is what some of us old buggars can teach the younger ones. How to last. Lets hope for all our sakes things get sorted out for the better and soon.
to Bill Wood & et al
Take a walk, yeah lets do it ????
WELL ????
How about YOU start and see how many of the spineless jellyfish follow.
You are all fucked because you are frightened of your own shadows.
I also see some dopes actually PLEADING "oh someone help us, can't you see what is happening to us, we help you won't you help us" or words to that effect.
OR: "someone should tell the media"
boo fucking hoo
If you don't know by now the media only report STORIES, you know, rape, murder, football, etc.
Do something sensational and they will report it. But who in the mindless public gives a flying fuck about your lost wages....no one that's who.
get a life and some balls
action boys and girls, fucking ACTION
or are you STILL waiting for someoneELSE to save you
thank God I don't work there anymore..you lot of sniveling cowards are a fucking disgrace to the service
And Mr X ambo what did you do when you were here? What is your claim to fame. Sounds like we are all lucky you left.
And still we would save your life without question or hesitation. If you were ever an ambo, you should know that it is the very nature of the person who is an ambo that is being taken advantage of here.
well i didn't sit on my arse waiting for something to happen sonny
No, you just gave up gramps.
Fuck me, stop talking about saving lives you fuckers, we dont save that many, we hump gump.
Maybe you come to work and have sex with retarded American fictional characters, but I know where my responsibility lies with every patient, and I take that very seriously.
x ambo said...
well i didn't sit on my arse waiting for something to happen sonny
That doesn't answer my question.What did YOU do? Had to laugh at the sonny bit. I don't think I have been called that for about 50 odd years.
This job is difficult enough without someone sticking a stick in the cage and rattling it around. And don't they love to rattle that stick.
Anonymous said...
No, you just gave up gramps.
He doesn't say he is retired just an X ambo. Probably failed his level 2 and got put out at Wheelabarraback.
X ambo,
that's not rik with a silent p back again is it?
John,
You really know what you are talking about John, by the way I am an old bugger too, especially when you mentioned that there is no substitute for experience in this job. Unfortunately the people we work for don’t seem to agree with you.
How many probationers do you know that have made it to ECP and ended up training their initial training officers. I know heaps. How many training officers have you seen have their hearts ripped out when one of their probationers are selected for ECP training, and they aren’t, based on some ridiculous criteria that would rival the re-entry check-list for the space shuttle, or 1 or 2 points in an entrance exam. Again I know heaps.
They just don’t get it, corporate culture surveys, parliamentary inquiries and they still just don’t get it.
We have new ambulances, state of the art equipment, exceptionally organised administrative systems, thanks to Rochford, and we probably have about 1 administrator for every 5 ambos, maybe even less. So the question has to be asked what’s wrong. Why are we all so unhappy? Professional development is just one of the really big issues. There are so many more.
The thing is people in high places, or the big end of town as I like to call it, are starting to take serious notice of the service’s morale problems. And we all know what that could mean for some if they are not performing, as in any government job.
So if the people who administer us can’t work it out by now after a trillion surveys, we are all well and truly fucked.
But here is the thing, if we are well and truly fucked, so are they, or will be soon.
SPIDER
DO NOT STOP " OFF STATION FOR CODE 20 ".
This is really hurting them and apart from a few ladder climbers who are worried that it could effect their station manager or team leader job applications, just about everyone is participating !
To the majority of my brothers and sisters out there ... keep up the good work.
The systematic harassment and bullying of ambulance paramedics continues. it has been brought to the attention of many and they still fail to act. shame shame shame.
I hear nobody turned up to Sydney North HSU sub branch meeting this last week.
Is this true?
Not sure about North Sydney but in my sub-branch up north only a few guys from the station where the meetng was held turned up. people arn't advertising it but those who i ask are all talking about the new association and thats just about everyone.
Oh Golly Spider:
Here is what you SHOULD have written:
You really know what you are talking about John, by the way I am an old bugger too, especially when you mentioned that there is no substitute for experience in this job (THERE IS IT'S CALLED SKILL). Unfortunately GREG who we work for DOESN'T seem to agree with you.
How many probationers do you know that have made it to ECP and ended up training their initial training officers. I know heaps. How many training officers have you seen have their hearts ripped out when one of their probationers are selected for ECP training, and they aren’t, based on some ridiculous criteria that GREG INTRODUCED WHICH would rival the re-entry check-list for the space shuttle, or 1 or 2 points in an entrance exam. Again I know heaps.
GREG don’t get it, corporate culture surveys, parliamentary inquiries and GREG still just don’t get it.
We have new ambulances, state (WHO'S STATE...STATE OF DEPRESSION)of the art equipment, exceptionally OVERSTAFFED AND OVER PAID DIS-organised administrative systems, thanks to Rochford, and we probably have about 1 administrator for every 5 ambos, maybe even MORE. So the question has to be asked what’s wrong. Why are we all so unhappy? Professional development is just one of the really big issues. There are so many more LIKE BULLYING, HARASMENT AND VICTIMISATION THANKS TO GREG
The thing is GREG AND COMPANY (ALL LABOR FUCKWITS)in high places, or the big end of town as I like to call it, are NEVER GOING TO start to take serious notice of the service’s morale problems WHICH GREG CAUSED. And we all know what that could mean for GREG if HE IS not performing, as in any government job.
So if GREG who administer'S us can’t work it out by now after a trillion surveys, we are all well and truly fucked.
But here is the thing, if we are well and truly fucked, so are they, or will be soon.
NO DARLING HIS CRONIES IN THE ALP WILL SAVE HIS ARSE AS THEY ARE THE MOST INSTITUTIONALLY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT ON THE PLANET
THERE MATE, THAT'S HOW YOU SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT AND GIVE GREG A KISS FROM ALL OF US
10:00am Compulsory Conference
IRC9/398 - Dispute HSU & Ambulance Serv & anor re transition to new
roster arrangements
Same old shit HSU in IRC tomorrow they should give it away they fucked it enough
To the last blog !
Greg may not be helping us mate... and to be quite honest, I dont really have enough factual information to work that out yet.
BUT ... what I do have is plenty of factual information on how senior uniformed management in the HSU have, over the years repeatedly harressed and bullied staff and used the system of corrution curretly in place to further their own careers and to make life horrible for those who do not suck upto them.
There are so many spineless fucks in this job who think it is there duty to just look after themselves and fuck everyone else, its just not funny.
If you dont believe that, just look at the advent of all these new team leader positions.... ((( just management creating more little management sucks to spy on the rest of the service and to report back of anyone not adhearing to their dominering attitudes ))
And you know what .... the young ones are just lining up for the opportuity to be one of these sucks !!! and to dob on their mates.
The only hope we have now is the Association !!! but for that to work we must all pull together and i have already been wittness to station officers and team leaders spreading the word that we should not join ??? hey wonder where that came from ???
The sad thing is the newbies in the job right now will never know of the antics that senior mamagement in the HSU have been upto over the years and until it effects you ( personsly) you will never know.
But suffice to say that people in the job.... people that i once new have taken their lives because of it... and i myself have been pushed to breaking point more than once.
Yep Greg may be an arshole... i dont really know, but what i do know is that every paying member of the HSU every single payday is putting bullets in the gun for management to kill the next poor sucker who does not conform to their ideals !!!
AND THATS A FACT !!!!
Hey Labour Voter (Not) I like your style. Poor old Spider continues to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and his dribble confirms he has no idea of what really goes on.
To Anonymous 24 March 2009 7.28pm I love your honesty about lacking factual information about our dear Gregory. Just remember when managers do the dirty work it is the work of the devil. Who else but our illustrious leader Roachford.
Ol’ crazy eyes holds qualifications in psych nursing , law and criminology. He is no fool mate and for Spider to think he sits there oblivious to what is going on again shows he continues to be without any doubt an absolute fucking idiot and has no idea of what really goes on.
C’mon Spider, I mean Greg. Time to come out of the closet…
Hi, i just want to be the 38001 blogger,but i have nothing to say except join the new association,fast.it will work for us
Labour Voter (Not) and Anonymouse,
You pair of knuckleheads don’t know when you’re on a good thing. Always blaming just one man. Do you really think things will change overnight if Rochford leaves? I know I have a lot of criticisms of the service probably because of the crap I have had to deal with personally in the past. But I believe things will change especially when the new association takes over from HSU and we finally get management out of our union.
I know of a number of people who have had dealings with Rochford and they speak very highly of him. HSU has put Rochford through the grinder a number of times but he has still stuck with us. I’m also sure he is aware of our concerns and will address them. Our problems are systematic and systems can be changed.
SPIDER
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