Hi there, fellow ambo's.
How many times can we be shafted? Ripped off pay wise, ripped off workload wise, under-staffed, over-worked, treated like shit in general by management, not looked after by the State Government, not to mention a piss-weak union.
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I did not think you would be interested with issues such as the welfare of patients and officers as I mentioned in my last post.
I love your short posts though. Small and irrelevant, very similar to your intellect.
SPIDER
Now we are about to get shafted over the new rosters, didn't see that coming ! not
Its ok, the union will make sure we get what we don't want
The HSU won't let it happen
They are about improving our work conditions not going backwards.
You non believers have got to keep the faith.
The HSU is amounting an arsenal of industrial weapons to unleash at precisely the right time.
Now I hear on good authority that this will happen when Liberal gets voted in at next election.
Thats years away you say, well come on, I know you are all patient-I mean you all waited 4 years for pay claim debarcle, hang in there
Why are they waiting and not doing anything now? Because Williamson would never do anything whilst his Labour Party mates are in power. What a joke!!!
waste of 21 dollars you are a joke, the service and the unions are trying to get things right once and for all, we will all forget about late meals and call offs soon, bring on the new rosters.
Action Soon,
Re: The HSU is amounting an arsenal of industrial weapons to unleash at precisely the right time.
You reason that HSU will not act on our behalf until a liberal government is in power. I think that’s what you’re saying. You must therefore question the HSU’s integrity and honesty to its members.
Are you stating that HSU represents us based on what their political masters tell them to do?
Being a part of the most trusted profession you should not affiliate with the HSU for this very reason.
In the end our association with the HSU will almost certainly tarnish our good names in the eyes of the community.
SPIDER
School teachers get 16% at the 'threat'of 2 days strike action??? Who would the community miss the most for 2 days? Teachers or ambo's? We are all fucked in the head. We need a Braveheart to step up. Where is he/she?
your spot on.
The teachers have just rubbed salt in it.
threat of strike, = payrise.
And how long was their negotations going for.
Certainly not 4 fucken years.
If you don't think we are fucking morons you should now.
Were not morons .... we just put our faith, trust and hard earned cash into Michael Williamson and the HSU !!
B I G M I S T A K E !!!
I have now received my 5th pay packet with NO union fees going out. God I feel great. It is the same feeling I got when I came home to find my first wife had left me. I told all 10 people on my station I had left the union and they all looked at me funny then went back to what they were doing. I guess there are still some out there who want to feather Williamsons pockets.
really !
Everyone ... and i mean EVERYONE on my station has left the HSU within the last 3 months !
It made me wonder at first why we didnt have a union rep around asking questions... but then i thought about it !
It is impossible to defend their corrupt dealings and they know it !!!
Yes mate you are dead right. I wrote them a registered letter telling them why I had resigned and I have heard nothing. Am I surprised? Not one bit. Last pay I offered to buy everyone an ice cream with the $21 I had saved just to rub it in some more.
TODAY SA AMBULANCE:
MAJOR CASE:
THESE RATES MUST HAVE A FURTHER 37% ADDED TO THEM AS AN OPERATIONAL ALLOWENCE
EG: YEAR 4 INTENSIVE CARE PARA BASE RATE APPROX 96,000.00 PA
ATTACHMENT 1
SCHEDULE 1 WAGES1 - SA Ambulance Service Award - 1st January 2007. 2008 and 20092
OPERATIONAL • AMBULANCE TRANSFER SERVICE STREAM
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary (2007 rate + 3.5%) 2009 Annual Salary (2008 rate + 3.5%)
PTS1.1 Ambulance Officer $34,500 $35,708 $36,957
PTS1.2 Ambulance Officer $36,500 $37,778 $39,100
PTS1.3 Ambulance Officer $39,500 $40,883 $42,313
PTS1.4 Ambulance Officer $42,500 $43,988 $45,527
ESS 1.1 ESS Ambulance Officer $42,500 $43,988 $45,527
ESS 1.2 ESS Ambulance Officer $44,500 $46,058 $47,670
PTS 2.1 Team Leader $47,000 $48,645 $50,348
PTS 2.2 Team Leader $50,000 $51,750 $53,561
OPERATIONAL - PROFESSIONAL (EMERGENCY) STREAM
Intern
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
1.1 Intern $43,000 $44,505 $46,063
1.2 Intern $45,000 $46,575 $48,205
Paramedic
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
2.1 Paramedic, Paramedic Defined Practice $49,000 $50,715 $52,490
2.2 Paramedic, Paramedic Defined Practice $51,000 $52,785 $54,632
2.3 Paramedic $53,000 $54,855 $56,775
2.4 Paramedic $55,000 $56,925 $58,917
2.5 Paramedic $57,000 $58,995 $61 ,060
2.6 Paramedic $59,000 $61,065 $63,202
Clinical Instructor
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
2.5 Clinical Instructor $57,000 $58,995 $61,060
2.6 Clinical Instructor $59,000 $61,065 $63,202
1 The applicable weekly amount payable will be ascertained by applying the following formula: annual salary x
(6/313).
2 Operative from the first full pay period on or after 31 December 2006; 31 December 2007 and 31 December 2008.
Without Prejudice
3.2 Clinical Instructor $61,000 $63,135 $65,345
3.3 Clinical Instructor $63,000 $65,205 $67,487
Sponsored Paramedic Degree Program
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
SPDP1 Probationary Ambulance Officer $34,500 $35,708 $36,957
SPDP2 Student Ambulance Officer $37,500 $38,813 $40,171
SPDP3 Student Ambulance Officer $40,000 $41,400 $42,849
SPDP4 Student Ambulance Officer $43,000 $44,505 $46,063
Intensive Care Paramedic (ICP)
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
3.1 Intensive Care Paramedic Intern $60,000 $62,100 $64,274
3.2 Intensive Care Paramedic $61,000 $63,135 $65,345
3.3 Intensive Care Paramedic $63,000 $65,205 $67,487
3.4 Intensive Care Paramedic $65,000 $67,275 $69,630
3.5 Intensive Care Paramedic $67,000 $69,345 $71,772
SPRINT Paramedic
3.2 SPRINT Paramedic $61,000 $63,135 $65,345
Paramedic Team Leader: Clinical (CTL), ESS (ESSTL), Regional (RTL), Paramedic Development Intern Team Leader (PDITL)
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
3.4 CTL/RTL<1 2 reports $65,000 $67,275 $69,630
3.5 CTL/RTL <12 reports $67,000 $69,345 $71,772
4.1 ESSTL $70,000 $72,450 $74,986
4.2 ESSTL $72,000 $74,520 $77,128
4.3 CTL/RTL/PDITL >12 reports; ESS CTL $74,000 $76,590 $79,271
4.4 CTL/RTL/PDITL >12 reports; ESS CTL $76,000 $78,660 $81,413
Intensive Care Paramedic Team Leader: Clinical (CTL), Regional (RTL), Area (ACTL)
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
4.1 CTL/RTL <1 2 reports $70,000 $72,450 $74,986
4.2 CTL/RTL <1 2 reports $72,000 $74,520 $77,128
Without Prejudice
5.3 CTL/RTL>1 2 reports, ACTL $84,000 $86,940 $89,983
5.4 CTL/RTL>1 2 reports, ACTL $86,000 $89,010 $92,125
Special Operations Team (SOT), Extended Care Paramedics (ECP)
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
4.1 SOT ICP, ECP $70,000 $72,450 $74,986
4.2 SOT ICP, ECP $72,000 $74,520 $77,128
4.3 SOT ICP, ECP $74,000 $76,590 $79,271
4.4 SOT ICP, ECP $76,000 $78,660 $81,413
5.1 SOT/Retrieval ICP $79,000 $81 ,765 $84,627
5.2 SOT/Retrieval ICP $81,000 $83,835 $86,769
5.3 SOT/Retrieval ICP $84,000 $86,940 $89,983
5.4 SOT Clinical Team Leader $86,00 $89,010 $92,125
Clinical Education, Support and Governance
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
4.2 Clinical Educator $72,000 $74,520 $77,128
5.3 Clinical Support Officer $84,000 $86,940 $89,983
5.4 Clinical Support Officer $86,000 $89,010 $92,125
Operational Management
Pay point Classification 2007 Annual Salary 2008 Annual Salary 2009 Annual Salary
6.1 Clinical Manager, Patient Services Manager, Risk and Safety Manager, Special Operations Manager, State Duty Manager $96,000 $99,360 $102,838
Without Prejudice
ATTACHMENT 2
SCHEDULE 2 - CLASSIFICATIONS
OPERATIONAL - PATIENT TRANSFER SERVICE
PTS Ambulance Officer (Level PTS 1.1 - 1.4)
Employees at this level:
• Hold Certificate IV or equivalent recognised by the employer;
• Successfully complete annual role re-accreditation requirements;
• Provide transport and care of elective patients;
• Maintain basic emergency care first response capability;
• Provide support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance officers,
paramedic Interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns;
• Demonstrate professional driving skills under emergency conditions, providing timely
responses without compromising a safe and stable platform for patient care;
• Carry out assigned tasks and roles scenes and major incidents.
PTS Team Leader (Level PTS 2.1 - 2.2)
Employees in this role:
• Hold Certificate IV or equivalent recognised by the employer;
• Have worked to at least PTS increment 3;
• Successfully complete annual role re-accreditation requirements;
• Provide transport and care of elective patients;
• Maintain basic emergency care first response capability;
• Possess clinical intervention skills beyond PTS;
• Work within specified protocols within the clinical framework;
• Demonstrate professional driving skills under emergency conditions, providing timely
responses without compromising a safe and stable platform for patient care;
• By providing effective scene management, contribute to patient safety, risk minimisation
and safe work activities within the practice setting;
• Co-ordination and leadership of a PTS team's activities to achieve continuity and quality
of patient care;
• Provide support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, PTS ambulance
officers, paramedic Interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Provide guidance, instruction, mentoring and assessment of paramedic Interns and/or
students;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns;
• Participate in curriculum development;
• Clinical development of individuals and groups;
• Lead a team within the practice framework established by the Ambulance Service;
• Role model professional behaviour;
• Undertake a combination of patient care / team leadership and resource management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee PTS ambulance patient care delivery for a specific area;
• Liaise with external agencies and healthcare providers;
• Fulfill roles at major incidents which could include command and control;
• Performance manage team members;
• Provide services in the transport and care of mental health patients and bariatric
patients on a sessional basis and at need;
• Provide transport of patient with aortic balloon pumps;
• Review decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
paramedics, students, PTS officers and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Continue own professional development, seek learning opportunities and develop and
maintain own professional development portfolio of learning and experience;
• Make professional judgements either to initiate patient care treatment or to activate an
appropriate resource.
Emergency Support Service (Level ESS 1.1 - 1.2)
Employees in this role may, in addition to the transport and care of elective patients:
• Have worked as a qualified PTS officer and received training in escort of mental
health patients.
• Maintain basic emergency care first response capability;
• Carry out assigned tasks and roles at scenes and major incidents;
• Provide clinical intervention skills beyond PTS;
• Provide specialist services in the transport and care of mental health patients and
bariatric patients on a sessional basis and at need;
• Provide specialist transport of patient with aortic balloon pumps;
• Work within specified protocols within the clinical framework;
• Provide support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance officers,
paramedic Interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns;
• Demonstrate professional driving skills under emergency conditions, providing timely
responses without compromising a safe and stable platform for patient care;
• Successfully complete annual role re-accreditation requirements;
• Review decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
paramedics, students and volunteer ambulance officers;
• Continue own professional development, seek learning opportunities and develop and
maintain own professional development portfolio of learning and experience;
• Make professional judgments either to initiate patient care treatment or to activate an
appropriate resource.
OPERATIONAL - PROFESSIONAL (EMERGENCY) STREAM
Sponsored Paramedic Degree Students
Employees at this level have been selected to be sponsored by the employer to complete the Bachelor of Health Science (Paramedic) or equivalent.
Employees at this level:
• Initially hold a Certificate IV BEC or equivalent recognised by the employer;
• Progress towards the successful attainment of Bachelor of Health Science
(Paramedic) or equivalent on a part-time basis;
• Work under direct supervision by more senior clinicians (levels 2 and above)
throughout their studentship;
• Provide direct ambulance supervised clinical practice to patients on a shift by shift
basis;
• Increase in capability in performing the role throughout the studentship.
LEVEL 1
First increment includes graduates and undergraduates of the Bachelor of Health Science (Paramedic) or equivalent during deployment to the non emergency patient services stage of internship, the second increment graduates during the emergency stage of the internship.
Employees at this level normally operate under imposed constraints in regard to the selection and adaptation of patient care strategies.
Under graduate and graduate student interns
Employees in this role:
• Prior to graduating in the Bachelor in Health Science (Paramedic) or equivalent,
undertake a stage 1 internship programme at increment 1.1 which commences in
elective ambulance service;
• Upon successful completion of the Bachelor in Health Science (Paramedic) or
equivalent qualification, advance to increment 1.2 and stage 2 Internship programme
in emergency ambulance operations;
• Work under direct supervision of a Clinical Instructor until successful completion the
paramedic intern development team stage of the internship, where after under
supervision of a qualified paramedic level 2 or higher;
• Work under decreasing levels of supervision whilst progressing through the internship;
• Accept responsibility for acquiring and applying knowledge throughout the internship.
LEVEL 2
Employees classified at this level are base line autonomous ambulance clinicians holding the qualification of Bachelor of Health Science (Paramedic), plus a minimum 12 month internship, or an equivalent as recognised by the employer. Such employees must also have the authority to practice at this level in accordance with the appropriate Clinical Practice Manual as authorised by the employer.
Employees at this level provide base line ambulance paramedic clinical services. The role at this level consolidates knowledge and skills and develops in capability through continuous professional development and experience. Employees at this level:
• Select and adapt patient intervention strategies within the clinical framework best
suited to the circumstances, in a time-critical setting;
• Make complex and critical professional judgements that may have significant impact
on patient outcomes;
• Accept accountability for their decisions and for their own standards of ambulance
patient care.
Employees in this role will, with increasing capability:
• Provide direct ambulance clinical practice to patients on a shift by shift basis;
• Use foundation theoretical knowledge and evidence based guidelines exercising
independent judgement to implement individual and/or group patient care options;
• Instigate effective patient intervention strategies autonomously within the clinical
guidelines framework, with little or no direct supervision or support;
• Successfully complete annual role re-accreditation requirements;
• Participate in quality assurance and/or evaluative research activities within practice
setting;
• By providing effective scene management, contribute to patient safety, risk minimisation
and safe work activities within the practice setting;
• Coordinate services, including those of other disciplines or agencies, as part of scene
management;
• Appropriately deal with people/patients exhibiting challenging behaviours;
• Review decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
Paramedics, Level 1 Paramedics, students, PTS officers and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Provide support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance officers,
paramedic interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of paramedics and
paramedic interns;
• Act as a role model in the provision of treatment and care of patients;
• Continue own professional development, seek learning opportunities and develop and maintain own professional development portfolio of learning and experience;
• Demonstrate professional driving skills under emergency conditions, providing timely responses without compromising a safe and stable platform for patient care.
Paramedic Defined Practice (Levels 2.1 - 2.2)
Employees at this level do not progress beyond level 2.2. Clinical Instructor (Levels 2.5 - 2.6)
In addition to the responsibilities set out above, employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to provide corporate support to ambulance clinical practice in areas such as:
• Provision of guidance, instruction, mentoring and assessment for graduate interns
and/or students;
• Provision of clinical development for individuals;
• Review decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
Paramedics, Level 1 Paramedics, paramedic Interns, students, PTS officers and
volunteer ambulance officers;
• Provision of support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance officers
and Paramedic Interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns.
Employees in this role must have advanced to at least level 2.3, and will commence at level 2.5. Transition to level 3 is automatic.
LEVEL 3
In addition to the responsibilities set out for Paramedic Level 2, employees at this level provide more specialised levels of clinical knowledge, education provision or supervision.
Employees at this level will, according to their role:
• Have progressed to a minimum of Paramedic Level increment 2.3;
• Provide advanced clinical skills with greater independence in decision making;
• Provide instruction, guidance and assessment of paramedic interns, and
undergraduate students;
• Provide leadership and supervision of a team ambulance of paramedics or teams of
volunteer ambulance officers, for less than seven reports.
Clinical Instructor (Level 3.2 - 3.3)
Employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to
provide corporate support to ambulance clinical practice in areas such as:
• Provision of guidance, instruction, rnentoring and assessment for graduate interns
and/or students;
• Provision of clinical development for individuals;
• Review of decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
Paramedics, Level 1 Paramedics, students and volunteer ambulance officers;
• Provision of support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance
officers, Paramedic Interns and Volunteer Ambulance Officers;
• Supporting ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of interns.
Sprint Paramedic Level 3.2
Employees classified at this level must hold the relevant qualifications identified in Paramedic Level 3 or Intensive Care Paramedic. They must maintain their authority to practice at their clinical level on an emergency ambulance. They must be able to perform in a single, autonomous role. The role includes;
• Rapidly responding to cases in an efficient and proficient manner,
• Rapid assessment and triage of patients;
• Rapid assessment of further resources or cancelling of resources whilst providing life
saving treatment;
• Rapid turn-around times for increased availability for next case.
Intensive Care Paramedic (Level 3.1 - 3.5)
Employees classified at this level must hold the relevant qualifications identified in Paramedic Level 3 and are also required to have successfully completed the relevant clinical education required for advancement to this level. Such employees must also have the authority to practice at this level in accordance with the Clinical Practice Manual Intensive Care Paramedic Guidelines as authorised by the employer.
Employees in this role will:
• Provide direct ambulance clinical practice to patients/clients on a shift by shift basis;
• Gain and sustain advanced clinical knowledge and skills to operate at the Intensive Care
practice level;
• Use the advanced theoretical knowledge and evidence based guidelines to exercise
independent judgement in order to implement individual and/or group patient care
options;
• Successfully complete annual role re-accreditation requirements;
• Participate in quality assurance and/or evaluative research activities within practice
setting;
• Instigate effective patient intervention strategies autonomously within the clinical
guidelines framework, with little or no direct supervision or support
• Appropriately deal with people/patients exhibiting challenging behaviours;
• Review decisions, assessments, and recommendations from less experienced
Paramedics, Level land 2 Paramedics, students, PTS officers and Volunteer Ambulance
Officers;
• Provide support and guidance to newer or less experienced staff, ambulance officers,
paramedics Level 2, paramedic Interns, intensive care paramedic interns and Volunteer
Ambulance Officers;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns;
• Act as a role model in the provision of treatment and care of patients;
• Continue own professional development, seek learning opportunities and develop and
maintain own professional development portfolio of learning and experience.
Paramedic Clinical Team Leader (Levels 3.4 - 3.5)
Employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to provide pivotal coordination of patient care delivery in a defined team within an area. The main focus of this role is line management; responsibilities include:
• Maintenance of own accreditation as an paramedic level 2;
• Co-ordination and leadership of a paramedic team's activities to achieve continuity
and quality of patient care; Without Prejudice
• Lead a team of 12 or less direct reports within the professional practice framework
established by the Ambulance Service;
• Role modelling professional behaviour;
• Undertake a combination of patient care / team leadership and resource management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee ambulance patient care delivery for a specific area;
• Performance management of team members.
This classification commences at level 3.4
LEVEL 4
In addition to the responsibilities set for Paramedic Level 3, employees at this level provide more specialised levels of clinical knowledge, education provision and/or Supervision:
• Higher Clinical skills
o in an Aeromedical/rescue setting
• Special Operations Team Intensive Care Paramedic;
o In a road practice setting
• Extended Practice Paramedic
• Education
o Clinical Educator,
o Regional Team Leader (ICP),
o Paramedic Intern Team CTL;
• Supervisory
o Intensive Care Paramedic Clinical Team Leader,
o Paramedic Intern Team CTL,
o ESS Clinical Team Leader,
o Paramedic RTL,
o Paramedic CTL greater than 12 reports.
Employees classified at this level accept accountability, as appropriate to their specific role, for:
• Providing expert ambulance clinical care;
• Providing clinical leadership to paramedics, ambulance officers and volunteer ambulance
officers;
• Ambulance clinical practice outcomes;
• Addressing inconsistencies between practice and policy;
• Developing team performance in the interest of patient outcomes;
• Providing specialist aeromedical retrieval and rescue operations;
• Contributing to ambulance service clinical governance.
Employees at this level who do not work shift cycles may receive an allowance equivalent to the Metropolitan Composite Rate as payment in lieu of shift penalties depending upon the extended practice and the flexible environment in which the work is performed.
Special Operations Team Intensive Care Paramedic (Levels 4.1 - 4.4)
Employees engaged in this role have built on their advanced clinical knowledge and experience to provide expert ambulance clinical care beyond that of intensive care paramedic, and specialist skills and physical fitness to ensure ambulance service response capability for:
• aeromedical retrievals;
• confined space rescue;
• vertical rescue;
• urban search and rescue;
• helicopter search and rescue;
• emergency medical support for SAPol Special Task and Rescue Group;
• HAZMAT/CBR incidents;
• Health care/ medical support to multi agency rescue and/or response teams;
• Provision of expert technical/clinical advice to the organisation, and to external
agencies.
Employees in this role will:
• Maintain accreditation as an Intensive care paramedic;
• Maintain accreditation as a Special Operations Team member;
• Maintain personal fitness to the standard required.
Paramedic Clinical Team Leader (Levels 4.3 - 4.4)
Employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to provide pivotal coordination of patient care delivery in a defined team within an area. The main focus of this role is line management:
• Maintenance of own accreditation as an paramedic level 2;
• Co-ordination and leadership of a paramedic team's activities to achieve continuity
and quality of patient care;
• Lead a team of greater than 12 direct reports within the professional practice
framework established by the Ambulance Service;
• Role modelling professional behaviour;
• Undertake a combination of patient care / team leadership and resource management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee ambulance patient care delivery for a specific area;
• Performance management of team members.
Regional Team Leader (Paramedic) (Levels 4.3 - 4.4)
Employees engaged in this role use their advanced clinical knowledge and experience to provide corporate support services to ambulance clinical practice in areas such as:
• Provision of learning experiences, educational materials, knowledge access systems,
and expertise to support volunteer and career clinicians undertaking local teaching;
• Co-ordination and leadership of a number of volunteer ambulance officer team's
activities to achieve continuity and quality of patient care;
• Lead multiple volunteer ambulance officer teams within the clinical practice framework
established by the Ambulance Service;
• Undertake a combination of patient care area/ team leadership and resource
management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee, ambulance patient care delivery for specific areas;
• Role modelling professional behaviour.
Paramedic Intern Development Team Clinical Team Leader (Levels 4.3 - 4.4)
Employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to provide line management and clinical guidance and development of Clinical Instructors and paramedic interns in areas such as:
• Co-ordination and leadership of a paramedic intern development team's activities to
achieve continuity and quality of patient care;
• Lead a team within the professional practice framework established by the Ambulance
Service;
• Undertake a combination of patient care area/team leadership and resource management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Performance management of team members;
• Provide guidance, instruction, mentoring and assessment of Graduate Interns and/or
students;
• Provide clinical development for individuals and groups;
• Role modelling professional behaviour.
Paramedic ESS Clinical Team Leader (Levels 4.1 -4.4)
Employees engaged in this role use their paramedic clinical knowledge and experience to provide pivotal coordination of patient care delivery for multiple teams within the Metropolitan Area, and elective ambulance activities in regional areas. The main focus of this role is line management:
• Co-ordination and leadership of multiple PTS+ teams' activities to achieve continuity
and quality of patient care;
• Lead PTS+ teams within the professional practice framework established by the
Ambulance Service, including specialist/multidiscipline functions such as bariatric care
and transport, and mental health care and transport;
• Establish and maintain sound working relationships with external agencies such as
RFDS and Mental Health;
• Maintaining own accreditation as Paramedic Level 2;
• Role modelling professional behaviour;
• Undertake a combination of patient care / team leadership and resource management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee ambulance patient care delivery for s region;
• Performance management of team members;
• Provide guidance, instruction, mentoring and assessment of Graduate Interns and/or
students;
• Provide clinical development for individuals and groups;
• Provide strategic leadership in support of operational management for innovation,
change processes and coordinated responses in the Ambulance Transfer Service;
• Provide upward relief for Operations Manager, Transport Services.
Clinical Educator (Level 4.2)
Employees in this role:
• Hold training and assessment qualification (ie Certificate IV in training and
Assessment) or able to show past experience in this area;
• Use their clinical knowledge and experience to deliver educational services, and
programs and participate in the assessment process;
• Participate in the development of course material and assessments;
• Provide advice and clinical expertise to students;
• Provide individual coaching/mentoring to students as required.
Employees undertaking the role of Clinical Educator are remunerated at level 4.2 for the period during which they are undertaking that role only.
LEVEL 5
This level includes Clinical Support Officers, SOT Team Leader, Area Team Leaders, ICP Clinical and Regional Team Leaders, Extended Care and Retrieval Paramedics.
In addition to the requirements set out in level 4, employees classified at this level use their clinical knowledge and experience to provide a corporate support service to ambulance practice and services in areas such as education methodologies, staffing methodologies, recruitment and selection, human resource management, financial administration, risk management processes and information systems management.
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Employees classified at this level will:
• Accept accountability, as appropriate to their specific role;
• Initiate and formulate programmes;
• Undertake projects/investigations of significant complexity;
• Provide specialist advice and consultancy within the ambulance service and
to external agencies;
• Interpret and implement policy;
• Maintain own accreditation as an Intensive care paramedic where appropriate to the
role;
• Provide clinical development for individuals and groups;
• Role model and manage professional behaviour.
Various roles may be used to enact this role, which is focused on providing management support to specific portfolio/s.
Employees at this level who do not work shift cycles may receive an allowance equivalent to the Metropolitan Composite Rate as payment in lieu of shift penalties depending upon the extended practice and the flexible environment in which the work is performed.
Employees in this role may, as appropriate to the role:
• Provide, oversee and advise on corporate management and systems services that are
by complexity or breadth, demonstrably beyond the usual range; OR
• Lead a team of greater than 12 direct reports and/or accept accountability for a major
administrative portfolio demonstrably beyond the usual range; OR
• Initiate and lead projects of significant scope and complexity such as capital works
developments or major systems changes;
• Integrate corporate and local service coordination to achieve continuity of patient
services;
• Integrate contemporary information and research evidence with personal experience
to support the decision making, innovative thinking and objective analysis that are
expected at this level;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Use and develop or make significant adaptation to clinical and/or management
information systems;
• Develop customised Key Performance Indicators and/or outcomes measurement
models that influence organisation wide reporting processes;
• Directly undertake and/or oversee a major research or evaluative project;
• Identify the need for, lead implementation of, and evaluate changes in organisational
processes and practices in response to emerging service and workforce needs;
• Hold a contemporary professional practice portfolio containing evidence of
postgraduate qualifications and learning and practice experiences that underpin a
demonstrable application of knowledge and skills commensurate with the level of
autonomy, decision making authority and influence of recommendations expected of
the role;
• Use their advanced clinical knowledge and experience to provide pivotal coordination
of patient care delivery in a defined team within an area;
• Provide line management of a team as a main focus;
• Undertake a combination of patient care / team leadership and resource management
• Co-ordinate and lead a paramedic team's activities to achieve continuity and quality of
patient care;
• Lead a team within the professional practice framework established by the Ambulance
Service;
• Lead, coach, coordinate and support direct reports;
• Provide instruction, guidance and assessment of paramedic interns, and
undergraduate students;
• Support ambulance clinical practice learning experiences for students undertaking
clinical placements, orientation for new staff and preceptorship of Interns;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee ambulance patient care delivery for a specific area;
• Performance manage team members;
• Manage major incidents at operational and tactical level, coordinating all participating
resources including other agencies in all aspects of patient care.
Employees in this role may be required to:
• Act as a consultant to the state or national health system in area of expertise;
• Provide a support/advisor role to other Managers;
• Undertake the work of a portfolio beyond the usual range for the setting, within the
corporate administrative framework and delegations of responsibility;
• Where required by the organisation, provide "after hours" oversight and management
of the activities of the ambulance service including staff allocation, implementation of
disaster response and recalling staff beyond the usual range of responsibility;
• Provide learning experiences, educational materials, knowledge access systems, and
expertise to support clinicians undertaking local teaching;
• Develop curricula for ambulance clinicians;
• Provide clinical development of individuals and groups;
• Influence and/or develop corporate policy;
• Provide a first response capability to support other clinicians and in the interests of
patient care.
Regional Team Leader (ICP)) (Levels 5.3 - 5.4)
Employees engaged in this role use their advanced clinical knowledge and experience to provide corporate support services to ambulance clinical practice in areas such as:
• Provision of learning experiences, educational materials, knowledge access systems,
and expertise to support volunteer and career clinicians undertaking local teaching;
• Co-ordination and leadership of a number of Volunteer Ambulance Officer team's
activities to achieve continuity and quality of patient care;
• Lead multiple volunteer ambulance officer teams within the clinical practice framework
established by the Ambulance Service;
• Undertake a combination of patient care area/ team leadership and resource
management;
• Maintain productive working relationships and manage conflict resolution;
• Coordinate and oversee, ambulance patient care delivery for specific areas;
• Role modelling professional behaviour.
LEVEL 6
This level includes State Duty Manager; Managers, Patient Services, State Special Operations
Manager, Quality and Safety Manager and In-service Training Manager.
Employees classified at this level use their clinical knowledge and experience to provide strategic and operational leadership, governance, and direction for the state's ambulance services. These roles balance and integrate strategic and operational perspectives within a specified span of appointment.
Employees in this role accept accountability for the governance and practice standards of ambulance clinicians in a division, region and/or on a state wide basis; the effective implementation of corporate systems to support, evaluate and consistently improve ambulance practice and healthy work environments, and the cost effective provision of health services within their span of appointment.
Employees at this level will typically, depending on the role:
• Provide corporate professional ambulance practice advice, leadership, and management
for a specified Region or Division with less than 5 direct reports;
• Provide professional ambulance practice advice and leadership to less than 5 direct
reports at Level 3, 4 and/or 5;
• Initiate and/or oversee innovations, systemic change processes, and co-ordination of
responses to ambulance practice and ambulance service needs within span of control;
• Integrate contemporary information and research evidence with personal knowledge and
experience to support executive level decision making;
• Contribute to and implement the corporate ambulance professional practice framework
established by the employer;
• Implement the corporate administrative and risk management frameworks within span of
responsibility;
• Contribute to financial budgeting and management within a culture of due diligence;
• Guide the use of information systems to inform decision making, and manage practice;
• Oversee human resource systems implementation including processes and standards of ambulance clinical staff recruitment, performance, development and retention;
• Lead, coach, coordinate and support direct reports;
• Lead the establishment of healthy working environments, respectful relationships and learning cultures across span of appointment;
• Provide strategic leadership for innovation, change processes, and coordinated responses to emerging service and workforce needs within span of control;
• Provide corporate professional ambulance practice advice, leadership, and management for a specified service division or function; OR
• Provide corporate professional ambulance advice and leadership to a specified group of ambulance clinicians;
• Initiate and/or oversee innovations, systemic change processes, and co-ordination of responses to ambulance practice and ambulance service needs within span of control;
• Integrate contemporary information and research evidence with personal knowledge and experience to support executive level decision making;
• Hold a contemporary professional practice portfolio containing professional development evidence commensurate with the level of autonomy, authority and influence expected of the role.
• Provide corporate management of ambulance services for a specified division or region;
• Provide corporate management of specified functional services within the ambulance service;
• Contribute to and implement the corporate ambulance professional practice framework established by the employer;
• Implement the corporate administrative and risk management frameworks within frame of responsibility;
• Undertake financial budgeting and management within a culture of due diligence;
• Develop and guide the use of information systems to inform decision making, and manage practice;
• Oversee human resource systems implementation including processes and standards of ambulance clinical staff recruitment, performance, development and retention
• Lead the establishment of healthy working environments, respectful relationships and learning cultures across span of appointment;
• Provide strategic leadership for innovation, change processes, and coordinated responses to emerging service and workforce needs within span of control;
• May be required to manage or oversee an organisational portfolio or long term and/or significant project;
• May be required to provide management of services other than direct ambulance clinical practice.
• Provide collegiate and professional leadership to and for Level 2, 3, 4 and/or 5 ambulance clinicians;
• Develop an integrated, collaborative and evaluative practice culture for Level 2, 3, 4 and/or 5 ambulance clinicians across span of appointment;
• Collaboratively develop and monitor a strategic framework for ambulance clinical practice research and practice development in the South Australian public sector;
• Provide high level advice at ambulance corporate level. Provide high level advice to other Health agencies, Health Units, Community Services and/or Clinical Networks on all aspects of ambulance clinical practice;
• Co-ordinate the participation of ambulance clinicians in clinical guideline and protocol development;
• Liaise between Clinical Networks and the ambulance service in regard to ambulance clinical practice that will achieve enhanced patient journeys and population health targets;
• Participate in clinical services planning and review at State level;
• The role may be sessional in combination with clinical practice responsibilities.
The wages schedule circulated with last week’s notice was a “first draft” from Government, which the AEA published in advance of the formal offer to ensure members had a good idea what was to be considered at the Special General Meeting (SGM), and to allow for discussion prior to it. There were some errors and omissions in that document which have largely been addressed. Scanned copies of the offer – the letter, wage rates and level descriptors, are included with this notice.
Please note that the Crown has inadvertently put the Sponsored Paramedic Degree Programme in the wrong spot in the wages schedule (it should be before Level One in the Emerg stream). This will be rectified before it is inserted into the Enterprise Agreement and Award.
Members are urged to read not just the pay rates but also the level descriptors that apply to them, because they set a new template for how your role is described, and what is expected of you. They go hand in hand with professional recognition and pay. There are no tricks in them, they are 97% AEA written.
SGM
Next weeks’ SGM will be one of those key points in AEA history; it is therefore extremely important that we get as many members as possible there to vote. Your union needs your input and support. State Councilors and Shop Stewards are requested to urge their constituents to attend.
This wage offer is not a fait accompli until approved by a general meeting, and if only a small number turn up, it is possible that a very small number of them could vote against the offer and bind the union accordingly - do not risk it; come to the meeting if you can. Unfortunately, our rules do not allow for “proxy” votes, members must be physically present.
The SGM is organised for Tuesday 27th January 2009, commencing 1000 hours at the Croatian Function Centre, 15 Wood Avenue, Brompton.
The meeting agenda is solely about the work value case and consequent offer. Your Secretary will report on the case, and explain the offer in detail (answers to some queries we have already received are included later in this notice).
The AEA State Council considered the offer at length last Friday (16/1/2009) and unanimously resolved to recommend acceptance to the SGM.
PROPOSED LEVY
The SGM will be asked to approve a one-off levy on members to cover the huge legal costs; the proposed levy would only apply to the back pay, and would be in addition to the ordinary AEA deduction.
The AEA State Council, after much discussion, unanimously resolved:
“That this State Council of the AEA recommends that the SGM approve a levy of 1.64%, in addition to the standard 1.36%, on the wage rise back-payment to enable the union to defray legal and other costs associated with the case. This levy would only apply as a one-off to the back pay, following which the fees revert to the normal amount.”
The AEA accumulated a legal debt in excess of $110,000; it was clearly worth it, and it is appropriate we pay our legal team in a timely manner. The total 3% (ordinary fees + levy) would form a small portion of your back pay. It is intended that the levy would be deducted from your back pay in the same manner as ordinary union deductions.
The levy would also enable the AEA to regain the fees lost when SAAS forgot to deduct them in the 2007 round of back pay (that loss put a sizeable hole in our budget!).
As a personal plea from the AEA Secretary, members are asked to support the levy to ensure the future viability of their union. This wage case is by no means the end of our activities; there is still much to be done. For instance crewing levels, and of course the next round of Enterprise Bargaining (which believe it or not starts again this year!).
THE FUTURE
Converse to what some members may feel, this outcome is not our last chance at improving pay – on the contrary, it is a new foundation for us to build on. The wage structure is the starting point for a proper career structure in which we intend to take the opportunity to provide further mechanisms for better pay. For instance, amongst other things, the AEA will seek to include in the career structure:
• The development of further increments at Levels 2, 3 and 4 for “senior” clinicians;
• The introduction of post grad qualifications (including Masters) for certain classifications/roles;
• The inclusion of Operational General Manager positions in the structure;
• The inclusion of Operational Directors and possibly Chief Executive in the structure;
• Further development of PTS and ESS (including the possible introduction a diploma).
We should also consider a registration system to protect the profession, and the public, from people holding out to be paramedic when they are not.
It is a fantastic start, but there is much work to be done, and more to be gained.
THE QUESTIONS and ANSWERS
1. “Why is the offer different from the claim posted on the AEA web page?”
The wage rates we took to the Commission were actually based on the Nurses rates circa October 2007, we thought it was worth a go at getting 10 months ahead of them; but we recognise it is fair to line up Nurses’ rates circa December 2006 with our rates at the same time. That is what has happened. It should also be noted that Nurses have an extra 6% on their pay that is intended to attract nurses back to nursing; it is unrelated to work value: we do not have the same “recruitment and retention” problems.
2. “Why are there different increases at different levels?” (or “why did Team Leaders and CSOs get so much?”)
Team Leaders and others (i.e Duty Managers, CSOs) were significantly undervalued in the 2007 Enterprise Agreement wage structure. Despite the fact that they are also paramedics/ICPs they received a much lower increase than PL3’s and ICPs (some only got the bare 3.5%). This case has restored appropriate relativities between levels, and aligned them properly with similar roles in Nursing.
3. “Why are the PTS and ESS increases less than the Emergency paramedics?”
The case for professional rates for paramedics depended heavily on use of independent judgement through clinical guidelines, and the fact that a degree (or equivalent) is required for employment in the role. We had no such arguments for PTS or ESS. PTS officer rates now align with Enrolled Nurses (Certificate) and ESS Officers with Enrolled Nurse (Diploma). SA Transport AOs were already the highest paid in Australia and this rise increases the gap. It is our view that it is a fair outcome. Incidentally PTS Officers on RMTS are now part of the ESS pay rates.
4. “It looks like Regional Team Leaders (RTL) have had a pay cut – is this the case?”
It is likely that all the RTLs already know the answer to this one due to an informative email sent to them by their excellent AEA rep, Gary Wyld. The answer is RTLs have not had their pay cut - in the previous wage structure, the RTL rate was expressed as an all-up salary (CTL+36%) as a result of negotiations between the AEA and SAAS back in Dave Place’s era. The 36% was in recognition of the significant after hours aspects of the role. The new salary is simply the base rate, in addition to which RTLs will receive a payment equivalent to the Metro rolled in rate. They are much better off.
5. “Who is missing from the offer?”
Three positions remain in debate – all of whom are AEA members working in management roles at Eastwood. It is not appropriate to identify individuals, but all three roles are paramedic-based and belong in the career structure. To leave them out would be unfair to the individuals and to others who might aspire to those or similar roles. If the AEA cannot convince SAAS by reasoned discussion we will take it to the Industrial Commission for arbitration
I am sure there are more questions which will be asked at the SGM, these I will happily address and, where necessary, repeat for all members in subsequent notices.
No other union in Australia (ambulance or otherwise) has ever been able to achieve such large increases with such an extended period of back payment. Legal teams from both sides have commented they have “never seen the like before” – this is because the AEA is unique and very effective; with continued membership support, will continue to be so.
Once again, please come to the meeting if you can – it is vital for democratic decision making, and we are looking for your support in return for our efforts.
Phil Palmer
SECRETARY
21st January 2009
No other union in Australia (ambulance or otherwise) has ever been able to achieve such large increases with such an extended period of back payment. Legal teams from both sides have commented they have “never seen the like before” – this is because the AEA is unique and very effective; with continued membership support, will continue to be so.
No other union in Australia (ambulance or otherwise) has ever been able to achieve such large increases with such an extended period of back payment. Legal teams from both sides have commented they have “never seen the like before” – this is because the AEA is unique and very effective; with continued membership support, will continue to be so.
No other union in Australia (ambulance or otherwise) has ever been able to achieve such large increases with such an extended period of back payment. Legal teams from both sides have commented they have “never seen the like before” – this is because the AEA is unique and very effective; with continued membership support, will continue to be so.
No other union in Australia (ambulance or otherwise) has ever been able to achieve such large increases with such an extended period of back payment. Legal teams from both sides have commented they have “never seen the like before” – this is because the AEA is unique and very effective; with continued membership support, will continue to be so.
AEA huh? Who are they associated with? LHMU? Liqour Hospitality & Miscellaneous Union? OK, Well, umm, liqour...yeah...the cause of alot of our work. These guys might be an option...but look at their home page. One of their affiliates just happens to be...you guessed it...HSU!
Is this the way to go? Think about it people...keep researching...look at other states. Not all states have been well represented by LHMU. Start asking questions to any Queensland Paramedics you know...
HSU is a pack of PISS WEAK MUTTS.
You new ambo's that don't want to rock the boat, wait until you been in the job a few more thankless years, get yourself a mortgage and a life and you will be kicking yourself for being so PISS WEAK.
FUCK the LOT of Ya's
You don't have a life if you join this job especially if you get posted to the country.
oh come on it isn't that bad in the country. You get to mingle with everyone in your town whether you like it or not, the people in turn think they own you, you are on duty 24/7 even if you aren't doing your 8 days straight and you need to keep the ambulance close by so no chance of ever getting fit by going for a walk. Then when you get sick because of the lifestyle they put you on probation for your sick leave and then tell you it is YOUR UNION that agreed to it the dirty fuckers....Of course they pay us well for all this. Currently $1 clear an hour.
But i bet you are still in that pathetic fucking union you little pip sqeek !
Have some guts for gods sake and give williamson the flick !
I tell you.
The frigg'n dumbest people I have ever met are the ones still paying the HSU for screwing them over.
Thats like a mental illness or something.
You would have to be nuts, would'nt you?
A pip squeak? Christ oh how I wish. I have never been a union member from day one. That is 7 years now. I bet you have though even if you are not now so that makes you more of a wanker than me.
Ok so we all leave the HSU then what. I know I am naive but once we have all given Williamosn and his cronies the arse what then? Who represents us then? Excuse my iognorance but I am new to all this.
Bill do you honestly believe you are being represented now.
Give me an example
No I don't but say we all leave the HSU where do we go to BE represented.
Bill !!
Forget about where you go then ..... just by leaving the HSU, you are bettering your chances of better conditions, a pay rise and decreased chances of work place bullying.
WHY ! ... because currently you are assisting the managers .... who are the union in the charade that you have someone working for you and looking after you .... and you are even giving them money ... not to help you but to help MIchael Williamsons career !!!
I now have nearly $4,000 in an account and a really good aggressive lawyer.... if they fuck me over one more time, i bet just one letter (about $300) is all it would need to put things right.
Finally some sanity.
Last post 'anon', what I have been saying for years.
I have saved nearly $4000.00 in union fees in the last 9 years, and have everything that everyone else does, except I don't have to bitch and moan about the fees. I use my union fees on a green slip, or a couple of trolley loads full of groceries, or whatever the hell I want!
These kookaburra's masquerading as our 'representation' are an absolute joke.
They know the turmoil the rank and file ambo is going through now, and for the last few years, and when was the last time even 1 of them came and visited you in the workplace, and I don't mean the last union meeting, it is implied that they should do that, but for them to come and visit you at the hospital, station, or wherever is what I mean.
Now I am not saying it doesn't happen, but in my sector I have NEVER seen a paid union representative employee in the workplace asking about what the crews thoughts are on this or that...
I put it too you - we believe we are all intelligent people don't we?
I think the people in my sector are, but please tell me - how are these 'intelligent people' still blindly ploughing their hard earned and ever diminishing cash into the HSU and its Labor affiliated cronies.
Lets get some perspective, if you went to a local restaurant, and they served you:
- a shit product
- poor customer service
- and asked a premium price
What would you do?
Would you just keep going back week after week after week for many many years?
No you wouldn't, you would tell em to shove it up their arse and then talk with your feet - and walk away.
Now why do we as 'intelligent people' keep doing that over and over again for this lightweight union branch that provides the same:
- shit product
- poor customer service
- at a premium price
Man they must just be laughing their heads off at all the ambos still paying their fortnighly subscription fee's. (Behind our backs only of course because to our faces they will tell you about how far they have come for us, and everything they have done for you).
Wake up and smell the roses people, complain with your feet and walk away.
And with the $500 bucks a year you save, take your missus out, by your kids a new bike, or goddamit go and buy that new surfboard/ whipper snipper/ whatever you have been holding out for.
As 'anon' stated, it is only a letter from a clued-up Industrial Relations lawyer, (bout $300-500) and these Divisional/ Sector managers and their subordinates will funnily enough drop any so called trumped up charges against you.
Anyway, I have watched these postings for a bit, and had to put my 2 bobs worth in, the 2 bob the HSU will never see anyway.
Cheers all, and have a great day, regardless whether you are a country or metropolitan ambo. I recognise that we all put our own efforts in, country or metro.
Miles you are spot on and I have done the same. It just feels right knowing I am not paying them another penny. I found one of those silver HSU badges in my pigeon hole the other day. Must have been there for some time. How much did it cost to make them? Our money down the drain. Well your money now. They will never get another cent out of me. The D&D is another one of their jokes. Who gets it. Only the dead and only after their family waits a year or more. Disgusting. But it is compulsory isn't it? How much are they getting of it? I would like to see where the money is going. This latest pay scam. It was a setup from the start. The delegate here knew beforehand what was going to happen. He told everyone. How did he know????? I tell you anyone still paying good hard earned and it is hard earned money into the HSU are as crazy as half the people we get dragged out of bed to cart away only they aren't crazy because under the labour government they get everything handed to them on a plate and you union members are the ones paying for it. You reap what you sew. If you are still paying then don't complain.
I don't get it. Somebody becomes a volunteer ambo and does 25 years. He then gets called a treasure and gets a dinner at an area office in his honour. Now this person can say when he works and when he doesn't. He can get on the piss if he feels like it, go out for dinner when it suits him, go to a show at the local RSL to please the family. The bloke who signs up as a permanent can't do any of this stuff because he is rostered on duty. He does 25 years as a permo and gets fuck all. Not even a phone call. When he makes an enquiry as to where his national medal that is 3 years overdue is he is told it has been lost and another needs to be made! If he has the fucking audacity to get sick and require some time off then he will be put on a 6 month probation period because his sick leave is deemed to be excessive...Can someone please try and explain all this to me because I am fucked if I can figure it out.
I guess the 'key' to your question lies in your 2nd sentence Psycho!
The word 'volunteer', these people will do whatever tasks and roles they are asked to do for no pay, and if someone volunteers in a community role for 25 years as you say - I guess the least that could be done is a dinner.
Volunteers are just that, they do it as a secondary vocation to whatever else they do, and for no pay.
I think your next point though goes to the heart of the whole discussion and the reason that this website got up and running in the first place, so good for you for bringing it up and realigning us all back to the heart of the problem.
It is your union that has allowed this 'sick leave' surveillance to become some sort of punitive measure against hard working Ambos, whether Country or Metro.
So you are certainly right to complain, but it has to be directed towards the causal reason, and that's not the 'volunteer'.
It's your mug union - don't forget, the 'Management' will only try to get away with what they truly and honestly believe they can and will get away with. If the union does not show any fortitude in defending these Award conditions as they are, and allows them to be further eroded, then mate that's where you need to be directing your anger and frustration.
Go to the 'volunteers' night out, slap him on the back and shake his hand, because he is probably only doing the best that he can, in the role that he 'volunteered' to do.
But don't bag the bloke, take your complaint up with the HSU, and if you don't like the way it is or has been resolved you need to do something with it.
Either take up a posting on the sub-branch executive where you 'think' you may be able to do some good and get to work, or withdraw your financial funding and be happy that at least you are giving yourself a $500 a year pay rise.
Don't forget, sick leave is an Award entitlement for working in our industry, it is not some sort of fringe benefit that is given to us as a bonus, and if you get a letter from management about your sick leave usage, and you don't like it, take it to an IR lawyer and see what they have to say about the whole thing. Because the HSU has already rolled over and really by now don't give a rat's ....
Miles Long,
Re: Because the HSU has already rolled over and really by now don't give a rat's ....
Well said. As far as I see it the game is over with the HSU. Award conditions steadily being undermined. The 4 and 5 allowance now incorporated in your hourly rate, there is absolutely no chance of getting allowances for any skills enhancements in the future based on this premise.
Most P1 officers in the service have accepted skill enhancements without demanding a pay increase for their time and efforts. This again further shatters any possibility for clinical allowances in the future.
If skills and drugs keep rolling out like they have over the last 5 years it won’t be long until a P1 will be doing minor surgery and writing prescriptions on scene for $27.00 and hour.
We negotiate with management for 3 years demanding better award conditions and who gets the big payrise….Management. Seriously just think about it for a moment. Friends of mine outside the service find it rather amusing when I tell them our management is in our union. A conflict of interest in anyone’s opinion. It’s been going on for so long now most ambos can’t comprehend that something underhanded might be going on, let alone question it.
HSU have shown a lack of principles, consistency and integrity when negotiating with the service in the past. They have absolutely no chance of beating a class player like Rochford and his IR people without having these virtues in the future.
I’ve watched this unfold to the situation we are in now for over 20years. The precedents have all been set.
HSU have no moral ground to stand on. I’m afraid it’s game over until we organise our own association.
SPIDER
Jim Arneman visited some stations recently and made the comment that the reason management got the pay rises was to encourage regular ambo's to aspire to managers roles!!! All other questions directed at him re the HSU were given the standard answer to contyact your HSU delegate. Fuck I am so over this HSU scam and yes I am one of the 500 or so who have left.
Yeah fair enough for the volunteer, not knocking him personally at all just the fact that the people I know who have been doing this job for a bloody long time get no recognition at all not even to the point where they get their long service recognised unless you can jag an ASM and while I am on that subject good on Jeff Gilchrist for getting his. It was LONG overdue.
I helped three other ambos at my station see the light today... all three have resigned from the HSU !
fuck Williamson... he has been robbing us for years.
I thought Arneman left after all of his failed attempts to gain office??
"I thought Arneman left after all of his failed attempts to gain office??"
Yeah so did I but apparently he is tied up in the union big time. He will be an MP in time wait and see.
Hi all again,
Can I just move the discussion a bit?
What is going on in Sydney at the moment with these 'trial' rosters?
Is it true that there will be stations that will have some modules on the 4/5 and also 4/4 rosters at the same time?
I heard Parra was going to be like that.
What consultation has been going on there to implement these rosters and does it look like they will be able to staff them? I wouldn't have thought so.
Is there anyone there in the firing line who can discuss their thoughts?
Have a good one.
Arneman left the job and took up a full time job with the HSU so I heard.
The new forum link at www.paramedicsnsw.org.au is now online.
Thank you very much to whoever it is that created this site. It has been exactly what we needed...finally a choice and a move away from our current representation.
Within a short period of time we WILL have the choice. The ParamedicsNSW website will be where you find answers and where you can ask questions.
Again, to the person running this thing, you have been the inspiration to affect change. Your colleagues owe you BIG TIME.
Also, can we please leave the city Vs Country for the footy.
Have been watching this site since it's inception.. a great forum to vent, brainstorm blah blah blah. The common theme though.... the MAJORITY are 'not happy Jan' with the HSU.. Obvious einstein!
For all of it's 'wins' for members there are numerous and quite serious flaws in it's operation and representation. Flaws which we have all known about for years and more recently identified and brought to the public domain with vigorous debate.
I believe now is the time to refocus our attention and energy to what we have all been hoping for, a different option, a different choice!...
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au... seems to offer that with a recent announcement the choice is here. We must therefore be fair to ourselves and review, evaluate and consequently take positive action to support the 'change' we have all spent soo much time talking about. ITS CRUNCH TIME!!..STAND UP OR SHUTUP TIME!!!
This touted reform to be presented to us on the site needs our energy to be spent there... time debating HSU representation is now at an end... That debate is over... We need to move on and not stagnate in our woes of HSU. We have seen and know the answer, 'it is written on the wall'... HSU's monopoly is drawing to a close.
Our opportunity to CHANGE is no longer a talking point. It is no longer a dream. It is a reality and it is HERE, now, for us to digest and decide upon!
There will be staunch HSU members and representatives who will moot any change as being counterproductive to the established movement. YES, it will be counterproductive to HSU because thats is exactly what we want... A change away for the HSU and the established and currently ineffective and inadequate representation by leaders who have personal and political agendeas not consumate with REAL issues important to the longetivity of NSW Ambulance Officers.
The campaign which ensues will be rough and tough and the fight maybe be long but I believe if we consolidate we will win the war!!
I for one am a bit anxious as to how seamless a changeover will occur but like everything new there are teething problems and obstacles to overcome. It is while all this is in it's infancy that positive support must be maintained. The web site will obviously provide a platform for all to discuss and ask questions directly to those who are endeavouring to impliment these changes. Get your answers directly from the people who are effecting the change. Monitor the site forum and get the RIGHT answers!
Lets now consolidate our efforts, stick together and maintain the 'fire in the belly' for our Professional status, our Industrial rights, our medico-legal safety net and our right to salary consumate to our professional and unique skill sets.
I'll be hopping on the ship and taking the ride to a new destination because the place where I/we've been for the last number of decades is no longer appealing financially or emotionally.
Good luck to the new captains of the ship!!!!
(no offence is intended toward those Officers ,who, over the years have put in countless hours at local sub-branch level doing their very best to represent us..Thanks)
........ and no I'm not the propaganda administrator for the new web site. Just another Ambo who has had a gutful!
What just move to our own paramedic association and leave it at that ?????
Know fucking way ...... I want Williamson investigated.... he is on the board of the D & D and the credit union and numerous other institutions ( have a look at (www.sgecu.com.au/directors.aspis ) and you will see what i mean. If there is a legal conflict of interest " and i dont see how there could possibly not be " then ACTION should be taken against him.
This investigation, at whatever cost should be the first item of business for the new assocation !!!!
In the court... where other such assocations have taken money under false pretences..... and if you look closely at what the HSU have or should i say have not done, they have been fined and been made to pay all the moneys back !!
Its not good enough for us to just dump the HSU.... we have payed for his fucking career and given him a massive leg up into politics where he is assured a good living for the rest of this life... and he has done it by taking from us !!
MAKE THIS THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT ITEM OF BUSSINESS FOR THE NEW ASSOCATION... AND THE WEB PAGE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A LINK TO THIS SITE !
for those of you who cant be bothered to look at the above web site.... here it is ! F A C T ::::
"Director experience"
1.Secretary of the HSU,
2.Trustee of First State Super and Trustee of the Death and Disabilty.
3.Snr Vice President-ALP NSW Branch.
4.Snr Vice President-Unions NSW.
5.ACTU Executive member.
6.National President of the HSU of Australia.
7.Member of the NSW ALP,Administrive commitee.
8.Member of the NSW,ALP Industral commitee.
9.Member of the ALP National Executive commitee.
10.Member of the Australasian Mutals Institute (AMI)
11.Member of the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia (ASFA).
12.Board Member since 2003 SGE Credit Union
" HSU Members Credit Union is a divisiion of SGE Credit Union!
Not a conflict of interest ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Look at the D&D rip off scheme, through First StaTe Super and the HSU home loans etc, both companies he has his figner in hes a fucken joke and so are we for putting up with it for so long
Cant see how roster reform that increases the length of day shift will improve staff fatiuge? we have a copy of Syney rosters and they are fucked.
I wonder which brain drain made these up? someone whom no doubt will never work them.
im staying with the HSU its a landmark union its the only one to give its members a pay cut and trade off conditions
I like the AEA as an ICP my base rate is now $96,000.00 (71,000) plus 37% operational allowence now i can drive a BMW like my LMO. Only hard choice now is colour? sat nav ? tv? mmmmmmmmmm
I know of officers in the ASNSW that have had to take their own legal action against the service because HSU refused to represent them.
Why? because it would mean HSU would have had to take this legal action against it's own paying members in management.
Yep that's right folks uniformed management is in HSU with us as paying members, and some of you still wonder why we have cultural problems?
Wake up to yourselves.
Many many people are angry and extremely frustrated after years of putting up with the real and/or perceived injustices attributed to the HSU..... I for one believe and agree that the HSU Secretary is wearing far too many hats and conflict of interest is a real issue.
BUT.....
How long has it been going on?
How long has it been a public debating point?
How long has it been right there for all and sundry to see?
The ANSWER...
For years!... AND what has been done about it?
NOTHING....WHY?....No competition thats why! No one has ever challenged the HSU at it's core business..Union representation and IRC negotiations for the members...
UNTIL NOW.....
The first order of business for a new Association is not investigation and retribution but establishing a strong membership base. Then doing what the Association has set out to do!...REPRESENT IT'S MEMBERS.
That is where all of our energy should now be focused. Not to have a splinter group bent on drawing attention to attacking an individual or individuals, who, in the begining, careless about Ambulance Officers and who have written their own ticket of dimise as their actions are already on public record.
Use the anger to once and for all gives these guys and their selfserving cronies the flick and become part of something new that has been long coming and will meet OUR NEEDS FIRST and let the others fade away into obscurity. You will no longer be a contributor to their personal lifestyles... you will be part of their downfall by knowing you now have a choice to discontinue your support.
Ask yourself..'what is their achilles heal?'... then act on it!
But know, that all our pent up frustration and anger needs to be channelled toward positive and patient support of the new Association. We need to no longer be piranhas to each other but get in and get it done!!
We've waited this long, another few weeks or even months will benifit us for the rest of our careers and this time will be looked back on as the time AMBULANCE OFFICERS in NSW finally took control of their own empolyment destiny and effected longterm change.. Yes, 2009 will be very dynamic indeed!!!
Lets get our collective act together!!
Well there it is folks !!! straight from the CEO's mouth (( LATE MEALS AND CALL OFFS GONE AS FROM 27TH OF THIS MONTH )) !!!!
read your email !!
The HSU helped them do this... and to think otherwise is just plain foolish !
AND :
Re the Chief Exc letter, no one will earn less for the 2008-2009 financial year than they did in the 2007-2008 financial year as we recieved the pay rise but we then had the status quo invoked by the Minister with our meal penalties. This is therefore a grossly unfair comparison, therefore this is a big CON JOB!!! (again)
AND : it will have to be gauged from the financial year so you wont have the figures to go by until the tax year of 2010 - 2011
WELL DONE AGAIN HSU ????
Putting Paramedics before politics
--------------------------
Following on from the rally at Penrith in November and after months of research the ParamedicsNSW Working Group are very excited to bring you this update.
For months, if not years, Paramedics in NSW have longed for an association that can represent and protect our interests without political interference. We have been busy reviewing our current level of representation and have appraised numerous union and association models. We have wanted an association run by Paramedics, for Paramedics but with solid legal backing.
It is with great pleasure that we announce that Paramedics in NSW will soon have this option available which will cover both legal and industrial issues. The association will be run by Paramedics in NSW for Paramedics in NSW. We are NOW in the process of having our OWN association registered. Our association will have the support of a commercial legal firm with industrial relations specialists. We now have the assistance and support of an established successful interstate association, who also support their states Paramedics. Whilst we will require their initial support to set up our NSW association, we will be operating independently within a few months.
It is envisaged that membership will be $15-00 per fortnight. Upon confirmation of membership, Paramedics in NSW will have full legal coverage for all work related matters in the event that legal advice is required. The legal team who currently represent Paramedics interstate have a 100% success rate including Supreme Court victory. It is often the case that when this association intervenes in work related matters further legal representation is not even required. The interstate association have had more success in effecting workplace changes for the benefit of their employees, than they did with their previous union. The association’s legal firm have also given an undertaking to represent NSW members and jurisdiction in regards to workplace rights across the eastern seaboard.
Furthermore our association will have access to a range of corporate benefits available to members; they will NOT include “cabins at Sussex Inlet”!
We are very confident that given what Paramedics in NSW have been saying on various blog sites, that the arrangement that we have found will be very beneficial to members as well as the public of NSW.
We would like you to imagine the following. Our Award is up for negotiation in July of this year. Picture an association working purely for Paramedics in NSW arguing against poor conditions and wages and having the collective power to say” NO” to any offer tabled.
Given the nature of the recent Upper House Enquiry and various other enquiries this is a vital time for Paramedics in NSW. It is time to stand together and aim for a “Service” that we can be proud to work for. Our association will put Paramedics BEFORE politics.
Keep an eye on the website within the next 14 days.
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au/
The forum is now up and running, you just need to register and get a log-in.
Get ready, it’s time for change.
HOOOOOOOOOORRRAAAYYYYYYYY !!!
I BET YOU WILL NOW SEE THE BIGGEST MASS EXODUS FROM THE HSU EVER !!! IF FACT I AM TIPPING WITHIN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE ONLY PEOPLE LEFT WILL BE THOSE SELF SERVING CORRUPT DELIGATES WHO CAN NO LONGER MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM TO SUIT THIER OWN BENNIFIT !!
Good on you boys and girls for setting this up... we all owe you a great debt .... you will without doubt have close to 100% membership within the first few weeks !
NOW I CAN BE PROUD TO BE AN AMBO AGAIN !
That is fantastic news! Thanks go to all those working behind the scenes seeking better representation and conditions for ambo's.
Also, I have yet to read into the South Australian ambo's pay rise, but if it is true it's good news for all of us in that it paves the way for all ambo's to be recognised as professionals and paid accordingly. But also those who will now make the switch over the border for better pay.
Cheers,
Googs
Now when the majority say " ON THE GRASS " Thats exactly what we will be doing !
,
Thats the best news ive heard today,thanks,
but can i say what happens on the 27th feb when our meals go?
Where do we go then?
will we get it back in July,when the new award is up for grabs again?
I find it hard to believe that the svc can take the meals away under this award,when they havent had a trial on the new rosters!(as in award)
the meals have not been cascaded over around 4 months.(as in award),,,
Now all this was in the award,so how can the Svc implement this part of the award and not the whole award.
This award is a package,so therefore it should be implemented as a package.
Can we stop what is going to happen by the 27th Feb????????????????
to annonymous above.. some very good points and queries. Definately worth a thorough look into. not something worth chasing with the HSU.
Holy crap! We all need to get on that website and check out the forum. Read the reply to the HSU delegate's questions!!!
Yep.... Times are a changin'
How can the service only bring in bits of the new shithouse award?
So we lose meals on the 27th but still work the old roster till it is implemented. Does that mean every nightshift I claim 2 hours overtime?
This is fucken bullshit!
Thanks HSU for being piss weak, and thanks for returning my calls you cowardly pieces of SHIT.
I hope that herpes on your dick festers for all eternity Williamson you sack of Emu shit.
And while I am at it all you delegates can suck on my shaved ones, NONE of you are any good, FUCKEN NONE.
Go the Penrith Ambo's, give em hell.
Well you are the fucken idiot for still being in the union and paying Williamson his corruption money. Now what have you shaved that you want them to suck? I am confused.
First item of business for the new Assocation MUST be to have Williamson and the HSU investigated !!!
They owe us money !! money taken in exchange for representation that was never going to happen... ie. money taken under false pretences !!!
Iam stating to think that ambos are going around this in the wrong way.
The reason i say this is because all this talk of going on the grass,striking etc,is only a form of aggression.
The best way I feel is to have a "Stop Work Meeting".
The first being a 1 hr,to discuss our next move.And give a weeks notice to the government,because we are then putting this back into their court to do somethink.Get it out to the public the reasons why,taking away conditions etc.
Teachers,public transporters, do it all the time,also its time to by pass Williamson.It needs to be done in Sub Branch areas,at a time,not all at the same time.
If the delegates resign,and you want all non members to do this then they will listen,they are not going to sack every Ambo,and they are not going to put delegates in Goal,if they are not in a union.
go it alone,because thats how it is now,,,, isnt!!!!!!
Thats Right !!!
The HSU has no intention of helping any baggy arsed ambo and that has been the case for a very long time.
The HSU will be dead and gone within just a few months and we will all look back and wonder why we did not do this sooner !
But yes Williamson and his cronies definately need investigating !
Wonder what bullshit they came up with at today's state delegates meeting
Doesent really matter does it ??? they are fucked... you know it, i know it and now everybody knows it.
HSU is old hat and nodbody will even remember what it even stands for in a few months !
The Assocation is the way ahead and you are going to see a lot of changes in the way things are done in the very near future.
Funny how, recently the HSU has it's Sydney Rep actively recruiting members at the AEC from current TAO classes...Signing up almost all the newbies!
Apparently, 98%, yes 98% of NSW Ambulance Officers are members and happy with membership with HSU...
Oh, did I mention the 'new' members receive 3 months subs free and a goodie bag!
Was stated the Rep was very pushy '......signup today or you might miss out on the 3 months free period'
Rep neglected to mention her stats are some years old and Officers are leaving not joining...
Why... poor representation and NOW another choice!
Not surprised really, as underhand tatics are inherently HSU....
They probably sold the poor probies on those f'en cabins at Sussex Inlet.
Theres a new union for the nsw ambos,its called,,
"I Dont Know What The Fucks Going On Union" !!!!!!!
Its cheap to join,,,,$21 afortnight !!!!
HSU FUCKWITS
MOST people who have posted blogs on this site have one thing in common...... no confidence in the HSU to represent Ambos effectively.
With this in mind throw your support behind change for the better.
CHECK OUT www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
We all need to get into the ears of all the new probies and educate them about the lies and inaction of the HSU. Let them know about the new association which will be up and running soon. Only then will we be able to pressure for a fair wage and put an end to the bullying and the kangaroo courts which are a trademark of our management
here here ...Waste of 21 dollars said... !!!
Mate... you are spot on ... it is my mission in life to let every ambo and i mean EVERY ambo i come into contact with know what a fucking hoax the HSU is !
I have successfully engaged in conversation that has led to the resignation of at least 100 people from that corrupt mob and will not rest until they have gone completely and Willaimson is invesigated. Im my mind he should already be in jail for what he has done to us !!
I only hope the rest of you give the assocation all the support it deserves.
And no ... sadly i am not one of those who help set it up, but wish i had of had the knowledge and the balls to try.
Give it three months and people wont even know what HSU is .... let alone what they are supposed to stand for !
Iam the partner of a NSW Ambo,i have known him in this job for 12yrs,I came to the conclusion today after hearing from him that no one has the balls to stand and fight for the meal pens and the COs.
I have never seen a bunch of guttless,weak so called professionals that would sit back and lose money.
To have industrial action start on the very day your pens stop,being(27/02/09),that would have to be the most stupid stance you have done yet!
No one,and I mean No one,in any other profession would ever stand for any of the bullshit you people have taken.
You all think you are the most trusted profession,what a load of crap.
I bet your familys cant trust you to stand for the right thing,I bet your familys cant trust you to provide for them,because it appears to me that you all would work for nothing just so you can blow your own trumpet on how good you were when you saved that life,or I got off with the lights and sirens.
Its time you lot grew up,you are all a joke to the public and the government and as for the HSU,well havent you seen what is going on,them and the svc are in bed together,yet oh we hear the same old same old,dont upset the IRC,they are hearing our MIC!.
I hope some of you get this new union soon,because you all need someone to guide you all and tell you what to do,because you all cant seem to make a stand together.
Oh and my partner knows iam writing this and he agrees with me,he too cannot believe people would sit back and do nothing about losing money,your rights,your conditions,your sanity.
Its to late for the meals,but I can tell you now that a 12hr day shift,is goiing to be very long,with a paid meal break they dont have to let you stop,so a 12hr can be a 13hr,14hr and so on.
And if you think your award is going to save you think again,
What happened to the 3 month trial of the new rosters?
The svc doesnt have to stick to the award,because the HSU dont care,and wont fight for you.It is against the Law to do what the Svc is doing yet you pathetic Ambos will sit back and take it.
Thankgod the rest of Australains arent like you lot,who would support the fire victims in Vic? and the floods in Nth QLD?, thankgod we are brave and stand for our rights,,,,isnt that the Australian Way !!!!!!!
You know you could bet your life on it that Rochford and Willaimson are having meetings as we speak... " shit scared " and wondering how they can stop, bring down, discredit or in any way hamper the progress of this new Assocation !!
It is probably putting the fear of God in them.
Amen ambo partner
I couldn't agree more!
I was made aware of the so called union response to the cessation of LM and CO's....what a load of shit.
Talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. I bet the svc is shaking in their booties over us working to rule! Fuck me a bunch of pre schoolers could come up with a harsher reponse.
For so long I have heard ambo's say stuff like " we better not say that or they will take this off us" or "If we do that it will make things worse". Well may I say if a patient said that to us we would all say " you dont have to put up with that and its time to leave that abusive relationship"
WELL GUESS FUCKING WHAT! ITS TIME TO LEAVE THIS ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP!
All ambo's need to have a good long look in the mirror and work out what you are made of and how far you are prepared to go.
As the ambo partner eluded to are we made of shit or clay.......?
I don't give qa flying fuck what the fucking partner of an ambo has to say.Mind your own business. You don't have a clue living in your little safe head up your arse world. Fuck off.
Sorry but it is their business!
How far are you prepared to go?
I'd love to strike!!!
But HSU would never sanction any real action. How about some more bumper stickers.
I'm with you brother!!!!
I have just joined the forum and I can see the service has done a great job of keeping us squabbling amongst each other.
The only thing they are scared of is us uniting angainst them. So lets stop the bickering and show them what we can do if we fight together.
We WILL be able to have a united front when the association is up and running. Everyone I have spoken to is keen to join up and make HSU just a bad memory!!
To the Anonymous,12/02.09 at 11:35pm.
It is our partners business,and Familys,who listens to us complain?,who listens to us when we are having a down time?
If we cant support our familys,partners,how can we support each other.
With your attitude,this is the very reason why we have failed have been walked all over!.
Pull your head in,and work together, just like the rest of the country.
It just shows that the truth really does hurt,and the ambo partner was so right in her assuption of us.
Anonymous post at 12:55 who stated "I've just joined this forum",this site has been running for over a year now and for the MAJORITY of that time it has consisted of a bunch of people who may or may not be Ambos abusing each other. If you're itching for change and want to be involved in a worthwhile forum,where healthy debate is welcome but immature name calling and personal attacks are not,make sure you log into "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au"
and throw your support behind the formation of an Association that WILL truly support Ambos.
Dear Waste of 21 dollars
RE: We WILL be able to have a united front when the association is up and running. Everyone I have spoken to is keen to join up and make HSU just a bad memory!!
Don't bet on it chum, gutless now, gutless forever!!
That's the motto of the ASNSW Employees, always was always will be.
Most trusted profession, bullshit !!
The public couldnt give a rats arse about you or your plight, just so long as you turn up when they call AND YOU ALL FUCKING WILL even if they paid you 20c a week.
Do you sad, pathetic, gutless and afraid babies think that a new association will make any diference????
Why should it, you will leave it to others to organise it, run it, staff it, organise meetings, etc, etc and all you arseholes will do is sit and winge JUST LIKE YOU DO NOW.
What a sad useles lot you are.
Anon
You say,
Do you sad, pathetic, gutless and afraid babies think that a new association will make any diference????
The short answer is YES.
You also say,
Why should it, you will leave it to others to organise it, run it, staff it, organise meetings, etc, etc and all you arseholes will do is sit and winge JUST LIKE YOU DO NOW.
Who do you think does all the above mentioned tasks now?
HSU?
Wrong all the hard yards are done by Ambos like you and me, even appearances before the IRC are conducted by on road Ambos.
The main and very important difference between an Association and the HSU is that the HSU President and the Secretary of the NSW Labour Party are one and the same.
And the big issues get saboutaged from within.
So the partner thinks we are all gutless and pathetic and get off on lights and sirens and you lot agree with her. Then you are all as bad as her. Does she or he wake up and go out on call at all hours of the night with her/his man.No I fucken bet she doesn't. Probably rolls over and abuses him for waking her up.
FACE IT !!!
IN A JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS THE HSU WILL BE GONE FOREVER.. JUST A BAD MEMORY !
AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK !!!
13th feb 8:50,
to anonymous,
No I dont roll over and abuse him,Iam an RN,so Iam quite aware of what you people do.But in saying that Iam also aware that there are good Ambos,who are ready to fight and stand up and be counted.
It is only the few,like minority groups that seem for some reason why get all the power.
I think thngs went very wrong at the mass meeting in 07.
You all had the chance to make a difference for yourselfs.
But as for getting up in the middle of the night for call outs,well you get paid well for that inconveinence,
I bet now from the 27th feb,your fellow officers wont be compensated for their no lunch,no break,12hr shifts,that the svc has no intention of giving them the 30min crib break they are awarded in this new and corrupt award.
So it is your type out there who have let the city and the central coast down by not supporting them when it was needed!
But mark my words, you to will lose your compensation for call outs in the future,and when you look for support to save it,you just may not get it.
The old saying goes
"what goes around comes around"
So mate keep that in mind,when its your money on the line.
BULLETIN AMBULANCE EMPLOYEES AUSTRALIA – VICTORIA ABN 19 845 840 893 117-131 CAPEL STREET, NORTH MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, 3051 TEL: (03) 9235 7660 FAX: (03) 9235 7680 EMAIL: aeavic@lhmu.org.au LHMU – Ambulance Section AV 002 1/1 3 February 2009 AEA –
South Australia Wins Professional Pay Rates For Paramedics
Paramedics in South Australia are covered by the State Industrial Relations System and their Union conducted a “Professional Rates Case” recently comparing Ambulance Paramedic work and qualifications with that of Nurses. In the course of proceedings the South Australian Ambulance Service and South Australia State Government made a decision not to continue to contest the application. The following pay rates have been agreed to and the Award will be varied by Order of the South Australian Industrial Relations Commission. Not all of the pay rates are listed here, we have selected key classifications for comparison with their Victorian counterparts.
Steve McGhie
General Secretary
Here is a part of the comparison that accompanied this notice from the AEA showing key rates for SA Paramedics that you can compare with our Paramedic, Intensive Care Paramedic and Station Manager Positions in NSW.
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN PAY RATES 1/1/09 COMPOSITE RATE OF PAY (ROLLED IN RATE) includes 37.4% shift penalty loading.
Ambulance Paramedic (AP) - $86,586 pa or $1,665 pw
Intensive Care Paramedic (ICP) - $98,614 pa or $1,896 pw
Paramedic TL more than 12 reports - $111,880 pa or $2,151 pw
ICP TL more than 12 reports - $126,598 pa or $2,434 pw
Now what do you think of the 8 to 12% increase HSU got for us!!!!
I think the 8% to 12% which incorperated the 2.5% that all state employees got except for teachers,train drivers,and who ever else decided to challenge it,was just pathetic what we got.
but hopefully this new association will be good for us,I beleive its much the same as the S.A Ambos have.
I just wish it would come in quick,before the meals go,and these new rosters are to far implemented.
Lets hope,
At the moment there is so much instibility going on,one dosnt know what the future holds.
It does effect ones family too.Much to much stress,and a feeling of doom when i wake up each morning,not knowing what email iam going to get from Big Greg and his merry men.
I hope it settles down soon!
It will settle down when everyone... and i mean everyone has given up on the HSU ... just like they have given up on us !
They are not returning calls and cannot be contacted !!! now why do you think that is ???
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GOTO
www.ParamedicsNSW.org.au
You must register to get access to the forums in order to get the most updated info on the progress of this association.
Registering for the forums takes about 10 seconds.
No nursie you don't have a clue what we do. Half the jobs we do you only read about in the paper or see on TV.
To the nurse partner of an alleged ambo please keep off our list. We don't need outsiders calling us names thanks. We get enough of that from our bosses and union. You think we get well paid to be dragged out of bed do you. Well you try doing it all your life and see how well paid you are when your body starts to shut down because of it and your family have no idea half the time who you are. I don't want to hear your thought any more than you probably dont want to know that most ambo's think nurses are overpaid arse wipers who couldn't work outside in the rain because there are no buttons for them to push to call a doctor.
Lose money for call outs? Don't think so. The country ambo's I know (and I work in the city) will just refuse to be called out if they aren't being paid for it. Simple really.
How about the latest photo of greg in the sirens.
The one where he is with Ambo of the year.
How are those EYES.
Fucken FREAKY or what?
OL CRAZY EYES hahahahahaha.
I dare anyone to find a photo of him where his eyes don't freak the shit out of ya.
I can't.
I currently get about a buck an hour to have the ice cream truck out the front of my house. If i go out its worth a bit, be fucked if I am getting up at 2 am for a 3 to 4 hour transfer then showing up in the morning for less than i earn now.
At last count 220 people have voted on the forum at "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au"
don't waste your energy with THIS site any longer. Log in, be informed,and most importantly be a part of the revolutionary changes about to happen!!!
TIME TO GET EXCITED!
that number again, www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
This site is funnier
No thia site started it all off....somewhere for all and sundry to vent.
Would have been nice if certain individuals were a bit more professional when posting as this is a public domain site. BUT people were and still are pretty fed up with the same ole same ole.
The new site and subsequent new Association.... YES (New Association which is now registered and certified) are both progressions of this site... Love it or hate it the birth of change had to start somewhere and it did, and it has grown and it will now more on (be it a bit more gracefully) and Ambulance Officers and PTO's and other 'coal face' hard working empolyees now have the choice to determine their representation in all matters work related.
The impetus forward will be gradual but the representation will be honest and responsible.
As the ASNSW keep telling us 'Compliance is Mandatory' I think HSU thought the same but somewhere along the line started to believe it.
Finally 'Resistance is NOT Futile'.... We can now expect to get back to being the professionals that deep down we are no matter how 'raw' the last 12 months have been. 'Cos 'The Times They Are a Changin'....For the BETTER.
This site has done its job and thanks to those who spent the time... Time to move on!!!
And thanks to those passionate ones whoever you are who started the Association. You are heroes. Lets kick this HSU where it belongs and then bring Williamosn to justice for stealing 1.5 million dollars a year of us and doing nothing with it but put it in his pocket. He won't even answer your phone calls let alone where our money goes. He is a crook. Then again so are the rest of his labour commie mates both state and federal. Give our hard earned taxes away to the poor and needy. That is communisim.
latest I have heard is Rochford is trying to take legal action to stop the association going ahead.
Wrong.
It is Williamson trying to stop it.
Beware of Williamson's puppets infiltrating the new association and trying to bring it down from within.
Both Williamson and Rochford are trying to stop the new assocation dead in its tracks... and thats a fact !
You can be assured they will fight it at every turn and poor countless dollars at its destruction... because they know it means the end of an era of corruption for both of them !
And yes they will try to infiltrate from inside too... but voting is going to be online and because of that... it will be inpossible. The Assocation and everything to do with it will be totally and absolutely transparent ! and they hate that because it represents fairness !!!!
Dont forget if you have not informed at lease 10 people you see each day about the new Assocation, then you are not helping the cause... i still meet people everyday that hate the HSU but think there is no other option !!
SPREAD THE WORD ... HELP IS COMING AND IT IS COMING FAST !
You are on the money there brother.
Help is coming and the only thing that will thwart it is the piss weak ambo that has laid down to die.
Well getup brother.
Lets face it.
RESCUE GONE
MEALS GONE
SHIT PAY CLAIM
I understand why you would feel down, especially with the performance of the HSU, but we have no choice but to look to the future and the future is an Association where all voices are heard not just the nest featherers.
Williamson will try and ruin this for us. Because besides all the bullshit they tell you they are still losing $1.5mil a year. And when Liberal is in power he loses a ACE up his sleave with the Ambo's.
Don't forget we have the power to bring a government to their knees we were just lacking unity and leadership.
If you don't get on board this association you will only have yourselves to blame at the next pay claim.
This is our chance to get out of the dark ages and corruption of what is the HSU and Service.
you dopes are still carrying on with the same shit.
"hope will be hear soon"!
"Hsu is corrupt"!
bla bla bla bla
what a bunch of dickless fucks you are!
There's a HSU FUCKWIT for you!
All over for you Dickweed, now go run back to uncle Mick and suck his tiny cock.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah
hahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
RE Youredumbfuckers said,
Have you logged onto "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au" yet?
Because if you do you will find out that we're NOT carrying on "with the same old shit".
Hope will not be hear(sic)soon,
IT'S HERE NOW !!!!
and
HSU IS CORRUPT!!!!
and
I DO SO HAVE A DICK !!!!
so your blog is obviously inaccurate as well as insulting.
What you will also not find on the paramedicsnsw website is the insults and accusations that are continuing to happen here... Things are changing and thats what ppl have wanted for years..
Oh and I see the propaganda machine is starting up and beginning to chug alone.... Rochford can't stop or interfer with and probably couldn't careless about the new Association..
'Tis a legally registered body. so long as all matters are dealt with within legal parameters then the Asscoiation has the right to represent!!!
Again I say this is a public domain site and EVERYTHING said is for ALL to see..
AB2009-008 Page 1 of 1
Administration Bulletin
Rescue Board decision
Document Number AB2009-008
File No. 08/1455 (D09/1704)
Date issued 17 February 2009
Author Branch Operations
Status Active
Approved by A/ Chief Executive
Compliance Information
Today Ambulance received advice that the Minister for Emergency Services has accepted the
recommendation of the State Rescue Board to uphold current rescue arrangements. This means the
transfer of Ambulance rescue accreditation at Parramatta, Camden, St Ives, Caringbah, Bankstown,
Hamilton, Point Clare and Wollongong has been confirmed.
The Minister for Health had asked the Rescue Board to further reconsider this issue, including the
possibility of establishing alternative temporary arrangements. While the Board has reconfirmed that the
arrangements in place since September are now working well, it has recommended that a temporary
secondary rescue accreditation be assigned to the Ambulance Service at one Sydney location.
This means that a single back up Ambulance rescue capacity will remain at Rozelle until 31 December
2009. This unit will be used to provide training to the remaining six Ambulance rescue units and for
operational deployment if the need for backup rescue arrangements arises.
The Manager Rescue / SCAT will be in touch with affected staff to discuss the backup arrangements and
reconfirm the retraining and redeployment options available. The options include:
> continue in their current roles as paramedics;
> postings as rapid responders (subject to entry requirements);
> Special Casualty Access SCAT training (subject to entry requirements);
> a new “Special Operations” qualification for safe treatment of patients trapped or confined by situation
that involve risks such as chemical, biological or radiological contaminants; Police operations; building
collapse; and, deployment on medical taskforce for natural disasters. This qualification utilises many of
the existing skills of rescue paramedics;
> full recognition of Ambulance leave entitlements and superannuation if an officer decided to transfer to
the NSW Fire Brigade.
It is important to remember that:
> Paramedics continue to attend rescue incidents and retain medical control at all rescue scenes.
Paramedics guide rescue operators on the manner and timing of extrication of the patient and provide
expert clinical care as they have always done.
> Ambulance continues to supply six rescue units in rural and regional areas at Cowra, Wagga Wagga,
Bommadery, Rutherford, Singleton and Tamworth.
> Ambulance rescue vehicles previous operating in Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong will be
redeployed to replace ageing rural units and provide additional back-up and training capacity.
I take this opportunity to reiterate the sentiments of the Chief Executive, Greg Rochford, in that I am very
much aware of the personal commitment that the affected rescue paramedics have made and the depth of
feeling of some of our staff on this issue. Now is the time to support our colleagues and make the changes
as smoothly and fairly as we can.
Mike Willis
A/Chief Executive
YAY BYE BYE FUCKWITS
What are you going to do now HSU?
let me guess.
FUCKING NOTHING
Anonymouse,
RE: Both Williamson and Rochford are trying to stop the new assocation dead in its tracks... and thats a fact !
Love to know where you got that little fact, please enlighten us Anonymouse, or was this “fact”a result of a bad acid trip that fucked with your fragile little mind. The FACT is Rochford is NOT CORRUPT he was appointed to the service to clean up corruption. However, the hold that some uniformed managers have on the HSU and the service is still a problem. That’s right management is in and runs our union. Plenty of people are starting to understand that now. Check out the new paramedic website.
I would expect Rochford would like to see honest ambos get out of the HSU. Don’t forget after the last parliamentary inquiry Rochford is seriously under the spotlight. Maybe he will help us indirectly to create our new Paramedic association. Who knows?
SPIDER
Well,Well,
R.Lewis,Best man for M.Williamson,at his wedding/ wonderfull.
S.Pollard(AOM),secretary for all sub branchs in NSW,/Great payrise you lot got!!!
Greg Rouchford,investigated by ICAC,,
PRICELESS!!!!!!!!
starts today.
hhahah bet you rescue guys wished you transported that walking abdo pain 3 blocks to hospital now dont you???? Wonder why no other ambos supported you???? do some work you lazy fuckers. you should have traded it when you still could to help the rest of us, have fun on the humpies wagon, have fun in the fire brigade now you have pissed them all off ahdhahahahahahhahah i think thats tops, gd for a cas oh how sweet it is. ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
SPIDER.
Your greatest undoing will be the belief in Roachford that you have.
Look into those eyes and tell me that he is not off chops.
And to the dead shit bagging rescue, grow up. If rescue treated you like that then rise above it you worm.
Or say it to their face you gutlest mutt.
Either way you are one of the snivelling dogs among many that keep the service devided, making it easier for Willis and his corrupt mob walking all over us.
HSU is GUTLESS
YOU are GUTLESS.
Lick my salty ones.
And while i am on it, what is that FAT FUCKEN lump of LESO TURD Desiree O'Brien doing working in Special Operations. If that doesn't show you what the service is all about enjoy your fucken Pay Cut Fuckers.
O'Brien in Special Op's, That's bullshit, I don't even beleive that and I bought a block of swamp land off Abdula in Greenacre
Abdula's an arsehole, he sold me the same block of land, lol
Abdula's an arsehole, he sold me the same block of land, lol
Visit "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au" make sure you register, then vote on an Association, and submit your (sensible)thoughts on the forums.
hey rock spider, I told em, you dumb fucker. you must be ex rescue.
look out rock spider theyll come and get you when they trace you through the other sight, dumb fuck
rock spider you are certainly rescue only a dumb fuck would let poeple connect the dots, the new groups first fight will be your dismissal
Anonymouse,
RE: rock spider you are certainly rescue only a dumb fuck would let people connect the dots, the new groups first fight will be your dismissal
Well, Well, Well, it was only a matter of time before a corrupt uniformed “Manager”, and I use that term loosely, would join us. Welcome Anonymous, no I am not rescue but when I was young I wanted to join the Thunderbirds, does that count?
Please tell me about “joining the dots” Sherlock, what does that mean? It means that filth like you will soon be irradiated from our wonderful service. You have had your fun, honest ambos are on to the likes of you, check out the new website. You are a pack animal that hunts and torments the weak but only if you have the numbers. Your only real strength is the corrupt heirachy within our union that you forage in. Yes boys and girls management are in and run our union.
That will soon end.
SPIDER
Well well... the new rosters start in march but we will be getting no compensation for loss of call offs and late meals because the HSU deligates voted to NOT HAVE AN ALLOWANCE !!!! yes thats right you heard it... HSU does not want us to have an allowance to compensate for the late meals and call offs that will not exist as of next week !!!
great mob that HSU eh ?
I refer to the document: Ambulance Service of New South Wales Roster Reform Proposals Questions for Discussion and Feedback from Focus Groups.
The document along with many others introduced by the Service shows the clear lack of understanding that could only be displayed by the same.
The roster proposal V3 clearly misleads staff in its illusion that it provides for extra leave per year. In simplified terms staff are only receiving extra time off for hours they have already worked and are being compensated at the base rate of pay yet hours accrued are at penalty rates. The extra time over the roster cycle is in effect time off in lieu of hours worked an should be remunerated at time plus 50%. The Service based a great deal of its argument on the “fatigue factor” could you please explain how working 96 hour fortnights in the first four lines of the roster benefits fatigue?. According to IRC transcripts the Service also based much of its argument on a four on five off roster system, however at this time it presented a proposal it knew it could not for fill and as a result staff are required to consider a proposal that increases work hours has forced annual leave made to take time off at ordinary rates for which they have worked. Closer scrutiny shows that 3 roster cycles are needed to gain the full annual leave entitlement, however this is a total of 60 weeks so staff now also appear to lose one week in annual leave. I consider the statement “ 4 weeks off after every 16 weeks work (10 weeks leave approximately per year/Paid for 12).” To be untrue and deceitful, and again reflects a further wage loss.
It also could be viewed that the expenditure of 11 million dollars to save 3.7 million dollars be viewed as poor management as the total expenditure will not increase on road staffing levels.
I think the big problem with the union is some of the delegates.
selling out the members,but this has been going on for years yet many are still delgates and many are still selling us out.Take nth syd for example,they say one thing to the members and then say another at the delegates meetings.
this has really been the downfall of our union,traiters within!!!!
Forget about HSU and all the disgracefull history that goes with it. Move forward into a brighter future....
Put your energies into "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au" and support an Association.
Thats great to support an association that may work better for us,but in the mean time next friday we lose our penalitys,conditions ect,ect.
It will be to late by friday 27th.Iam happy to move over,ive voted,but i also need my calloffs,and better conditions.
So what is this new association going to do for us by Friday?????
During the course of today, two State-wide Ambulance Delegates Meetings ('the Delegates Meeting') occurred by way of teleconference. These included representatives from Sub-Branches throughout NSW.
These meetings discussed the confirmation received yesterday afternoon that the Minister for Emergency Services had approved a recommendation of the State Rescue Board ('SRB') that, in effect, rejected the further proposals by the Minister for Health for the reaccreditation of the eight Ambulance paramedic rescue units in Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong.
The meeting also discussed the current approach of the Ambulance Service of NSW ('the ASNSW') in relation to certain matters arising from the new award. These are matters that had been by agreement on hold but have now been determined by the ASNSW to be implemented regardless of any continuing concerns held by members.
These include new rosters - which do not appear consistent with those sought previously in IRC proceedings; the impact of eliminating current meal break penalties; posting and amending roster arrangements with only seven (7) days notice; and the ASNSW position that it prevent in some instances Intensive Care Paramedic Specialists from undertaking the full breadth of their clinical scope of practice within the community. Concerns were also raised that a continued expansion of skills and competencies were being sought and implemented outside of any agreed and discussed framework, and without any due regard to their impact upon classification structures.
The Delegates Meeting that has now concluded has reiterated that these continue to demonstrate a complete disregard at the highest levels of the ASNSW to their own employees and the community. The lack of any response regarding definitive concerns and examples raised regarding, for example, the rescue decision is seen as a further demonstration of this disregard.
In the view that these matters remain unresolved after several months, the Delegates Meeting has determined to reaffirm previously endorsed action, which will now commence from 08:00am on Thursday, 19 February 2009, throughout NSW:
Ambulance Paramedic crews and officers will only respond to time critical cases (1A-2B);
Ambulance Paramedic crews and officers will only perform hospital transfers of patients from low to higher acuity care;
Patient Transport Officers will only transport patients to hospitals;
Non-compliance with the patient allocation matrix and protocol regarding the notification of off stretcher times; and
No completion of paperwork on cases (excepting details pertaining to patient treatment). This will include non-completion of any statistical data collection.
This endorsed position and proposed action has been notified to the Minister for Health and the Department of Health. Delegates at today's meeting requested that this information be forwarded to all members.
Further updates will be provided to all Sub-Branch Executives and it can be reliably speculated that further teleconferences involving Delegates/Sub-Branches will be required later today or tonight, and in the coming days.
Dennis Ravlich
Manager of Operations
Health Services Union
woooooo !! Dennis,
The management must be shakeing in there boots !!!
How pathetic... is that the best the HSU can do ????? how about NOBODY goes in or out of a hospital... any hospital for 48 hours.
If you want to force a drastic change in conditions ( and i know everyone i speak to does ) then you have to take FIRM action... something that will make them sit up a listen.
But you wont do that will you dennis, because Williamson had already promised the government that he will not rock the boat and management already new about this action probably before you did !!!!!
face it the HSU is a dead ride!
Not hard to upgrade every fuckin job to a 2B.
Way to get ballsy HSU.
Fucken IDIOTS
Don't waste time and money. Get out of that dodgy union asap, Spoke with a lawyer who followed our pay claim and stated that the union appointed legal team was totally responsible for our poor result. We didn't have a chance. Shonky union tied up with the corrupt state government. Get out quick. Glad i did.
Re : ooowwww Dennis,
Mate i could not agree more but the HSU can only go on what the sub branch delegates vote on, whether they agree or disagree, and the delegates only voice the concerns of the members that fall under that particular sub branch.
Get the picture.
We as a whole need to come together as one. For as long as we have these piss ant politically correct union members we will always be shit on from great heights.
Adrian Meerkat,,,xxx
Dennis has changed his title from cheif industrial officer to manger of operations, going by asnsw past history that will come with a 30k pay rise
These bans have to stay on untill we get what we want.
These bans should not be taken off at all if the minister will only talk if they are off.
Badluck,history will just repeat itself if this happens.
also I can tell you now Dennis there is no way the IRC will put you or anyone else in goal,this is just a stunt,just like the family thing,if we strike it may be your family or child that maybe effected!!,,,,,Maybe you and Williamson dont trust the Ambo,do you think we might enjoy seeing you both in goal?
This crap has to stop,neither the nurses,teachers,police,firies or anyone else has listened to this crap.So why should we,,you Dennis and your band of merry men have the chance to repent for all what you lot havent done in the last 5years.
The undue stress,pressure,frustration,uncertany,sleepless nights,overworked, that you have and Williamson have put on us and our familys.
This is your time to really shine in the eyes of the AOs menbers or not.
Its your last chance,because there will be competition soon, in the way of another union,and by jees,we will all leave the HSU,and you and Rochford wont have the control you have had for far to bloody long!!!!
hey pal it's G.A.O.L.
G....A.....O.....L
GAOL.
Anonomous blog at 2:32 you ask
It will be to late by friday 27th.Iam happy to move over,ive voted,but i also need my calloffs,and better conditions.
So what is this new association going to do for us by Friday?????
I think the Million Dollar question is...What is the old HSU going to do for us by Friday ????
Hey Dennis,
maybe we should refuse to tick the o2 box on the case sheets when really we have given the patient oxygen... hey that would really show them ! Then we could have a few more meetings... then maybe pass a few more motions ? I know... then we could have a major get together and then vote against what the majority want ? then maybe we could blame the IRC for a poor outcome ??
Sound familiar ???
The HSU is collection of corrupt self serving idiots who have taken, taken and taken again from the the hard working amobos of NSW.
your time is over... enjoy the last few weeks of your position because a change is coming and your colors have been shown and people as you can see above, no longer have any confidence in either you or the HSU !
Oh Dear,
Rescue? Industrial action? Some are attacking a decision made by the State Government over six months ago. The Minister for Emergency Services made a decision based on advice from the State Rescue Board and others, but still some want to bung on some sort of strike against the Ambulance Service who had nothing to do with the final decision anyway?,
Furthermore some of their assertions are based on farcical allegations that the quality of Rescue Services that is now provided by Police Rescue is sub-standard? I bet our brothers in Police Rescue are impressed with those comments.
Is it any wonder that HSU has lost any credibility? Is this the only pathetic way HSU can take a shot a Rochford?
I don’t know much about Rescue and it’s demise, but really these guys are starting to embarrass themselves. Kid's stuff!
No wonder EVERYONE is talking about a new Paramedic Association.
SPIDER
My questions are......
Why is it that all of a sudden the HSU, via Ravlich, (and having a full turnout for a statewide teleconfrence which is questionable) suddenly decides to inform everyone of their intenions when we have all been waiting MONTHS and have heard NOTHING!!!!
And, why is it that the headliner of their announcement is still RESCUE (88 Officers).
And, why is it that the HSU announce all the other issues..(L/M C/O and rosters) that we voted on MONTHS ago, are only now being dealt with at the 11th hour after Rochford drew the line in the sand and said 27th is D-day.
ALL TO BLOODY LATE GUYS!!!!
And, why is it that when sub-branch meetings were held MONTHS ago and the membership voted to do something ie walk, that the HSU clearly stated '...we will not support any stop work action'...and that non support then culminated in the rally at Penrith. BUT NOW, at the 11th hour they want us to 'work to rule' as a protest?
Is this to show us, at the 11th hour, that they care, that they have been working tirelessly behind the scenes to rectify their dismal performance at the IRC last year...
TO LITTLE TO LATE.....
I bet its because they now have a imminent competitor..the Association.... Which, at the 11th hour, as a new entity can't rectify the damage and lack of result the HSU has left...
This announcement is just political rhetoric. And what effect is this action going to have.... in cases like this the Service changes job priorities, uses CAD to extract info not on case sheets and the cas dept's aren't dumb and neither are we as we wouldn't compromise a patients condition.
SAME OLE SAME OLE...
Friday will come and go and we will get screwed AGAIN having placed our trust in representation that just can't cut it cos of too many 'Little Jack Horners' having their whole bloody hand in the pie.. (greedy little bastards).
Cut off the dead branches and start anew.. at least we have something new on the horizon!
ACTION CALLED OFF.
You are a FUCKEN JOKE hsu
Well history has reared its ugly head again,,,,,,Bans Off.
Oh and why am i not surprised.
What hope have we got,to keep just what we have,not anymore.
As for the rescue,the delegates were only using the rescue as a headline anyway.everyone knows there is no hope of getting that back anyway.
Come on new Association,we need it before the 27th feb.
sorry for the spelling mistake(goal) I now no its GAOL.
thanks for bring it my attention!!!!
But after today,it would be good to see them in GAOL!!!!!,HSU a joke!
they didnt even give it ago,,,,,so Unaustralian!!!!!
“Ambos forced to think 'Plan B' after IRC bans their strike”
“But a marathon out-of-hours hearing in the IRC has deemed the strike illegal, with paramedics abandoning their action”
This tom foolery is starting to reflect badly on us all. What does the public think when they read headlines like this. Are they still going to think of us as the most trusted profession?
Whoever thought out this strike action is obviously a nitwit.
SPIDER
Don't act fucken Stupid, you all knew it was going to happen.
You knew once the IRC ruled, any strike action would be deemed illegal, but for a ballsy union that would not of detered.
Do you think they would sack evry Ambo. Who would do casualty calls? The public would not stand for it. It would of made world headlines and made this country look like a fucken joke.
So the HSU sold you out along time ago along with delegates like Rumble and Lewis (hang your head in shame fuckwits).
So what now, work to rule?
How about the new bullshit the HSU is spreading saying if we all join the Association you won't have standing in the IR Courts.
Standing or not it doesn't fucken matter if we are all united.
If we get enough numbers in the association then we would be able to amalgamate with SA and VIC Ambo's and have one mighty powerful voice.
Do NOT pay these corrupt labor party stooges anymore of your hard earned they are a joke.
Hope some of you delegates eventually find yourselves a spine so you can walk upright you fucken dogs.
Russel Lewis was best man at Williamsons wedding,do you really think he was go to go against his buddy.
And whats wrong with not having access to the IRC,,,what in fucks name has the IRC done for us now?
Fucking nothing.
I can remember early last year ambos were told to get out of the HSU,but no who listens,no one,but i bet they the members are the biggest winges now
We can't join with SA & VIC. LHMU (AEA) tried to get us on board a few years ago and HSU told them to back off. This came from Steve McGhie, head of AEA in Victoria. The whole Union thing is corrupt.
Liqour Hospitality & Miscellaneous Union (LHMU) are the AEA in these states. It'd be the same union crap, same hierarchy and political rubbish. Everyone get onto the ParamedicsNSW site. Spider...tell everyone to jump onto the other site!!!
Anyone who doesn't know it yet
the site is "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au"
Piss the HSU off and do it now! Do yourselves a big favour and all join the paramedic association. When we are all there, then we can make the right decisions for us and stick by those decisions, no matter what, until we get what we all deserve. Had a gut full.
todays delegates meeting,,,,,10 to 4 against indutrial action.
the 4 subs that voted were Ettalong,Inner Hunter,East Sydney,South west Sydney.
the rest voted against,
I just love the support for wages lst,conditions lost ect,ect.
I hope none of you Bastards ever need to come to the central coast to work,because you will get flogged like a dead fucken horse.
And you fuckers want unity,what a fucken joke!!!!
would you be happy to go back to the wages you where getting in september 2008? and still change to a shitty roster? wat if the delegates voted to keep the action, thats one on 3 things that could have happened, then you fuckers would all be saying the delegates just got our wages cut? make no mistake people the association is coming but they would have had the same outcome in the irc as hsu did. why is it that most delegates out of 3000 ambos only got collectively about 50 emails concerning the action this morning? your all lazy fucks that wont get off your arses and help your self, so if the delegates all got 300 phone calls and emails saying stick it to them boys this morning well they would have a mandate. stop fucking whinging here get off your arses and next time a delegates meeting is on send a couple of hundred emails and give them a mandate, you cant risk everything on 50 emails you fuckers
What aload of crap,,,these delegates knew what was at stake,loss of conditions,,loss of penalitys,,loss of wages.
With the new association the outcome wouldnt of been the same,because there would be alot more members than are in the HSU at the moment.
Dennis and his merry men know this,so why would they stick their necks out for the "old Ambo"
No one in their right mind would.
well it may be over for now,but Fucken Greg may not get off so lightly.
fuck the 10 sub branches who didnt stand up for their other mates,
Greg Bruce i hope your happy,it must be good to have your cock sucked everyday by the HSU and Greg!!!!
ah ah !... I can assure you it is the other way around boys... its brucey that is doing the sucking !
Fuck... the management just gave him sleepy hollow Narrabeen station just down the road from his house. In return for what i wonder ???
i prefer it when they tea bag me
The name and shame file,,,,
Greg Bruce,,,,Russell Lewis,,
I can assure you all I will name the rest of the sucks who sold us out.
these are just 2 delegates who tell their members one thing and then tell the Svc and HSU another.
You blokes are arsholes to the highest level
In the classic words of our mate Chopper
" HARDEN THE FUCK UP ! "
And I mean that sincerely... you all need to take a good hard look at yourselfs. You Winge, but still pay Williamson and the labor party you hard earned cash, you still talk to those fucking deligate idiots who have sold you down the river and I bet half of you still bow down to and make cups of coffee for those UNION MANAGERS that come on station sprooking how the service cares about you .
WELL ... HARDEN THE FUCK UP ... and show them you are a man and will not take that shit anymore. You might even suprise yourself and start to feel a back bone growing.
and to " get fucked said.." ...... mate you are the kind of ambo i would like to have drink with.. good on your brother.
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
to the 10-4 vote your all spineless cunts you need to be fucked with a pineapple you may like giv ing away rescue and your conditions your a mob of fucken useless cunts
PISS WEAK AMBO"S
Lay down and die you mutts like the dogs you all are.
hahahahahahahhahahaha
Screwed by your PRETEND union.
And still think they done a good job.
Thats Fucken Funny
To all the misguided souls:
All I see here is page after page after page of frustrated, ill informed “professionals” venting their collective spleens.
Lets get Williamson, Let’s get HSU, it’s ALL their fault, THEY let us down, THEY sold us out, Williamson is in the labor Party (Duh),it will be all better when the Association takes over, blah, blah, blah.
When will you people, who are alleged to be intelligent, mature professionals, EVER see the light. My opinion, for what it’s worth, is NEVER.
The ONLY time unions in this country are EVER “effective” is when a Liberal Government is in power. They NEVER, EVER rock the boat when their mates are in the hot seat. WHY? Because they are ALL in the fucking Labor Party (they can’t even spell it properly for God’s sake). Now is this news to you lot?
Now everyone SHOULD know that Old Crazy Eyes is in the party with a lot of powerful friends…..it’s the ONLY reason this vicious bastard is still our beloved CEO.
It’s NOT his performance, it’s NOT his expertise and it sure ISN’T his compassion for his employees that keeps him ruling over us. He can do ANYTHING he likes and his mates in the ALP will keep him in the chair.
Case in point. GPSC #2. Robyn Parker, God bless her, was after his ass after she read the submissions and conducted the interviews during her inquiry.
If you sad lot haven’t already done so (and MOST of you HAVE”NT I am sure) read the bloody final report. The only reason Roachford is still here are the Labor Party stooges Christine Robertson, Greg Donnelly and Tony Catanzariti who totally IGNORED the evidence put before them and voted the party line.
These people are all Labor Party, you know the party who look out for us workers, who strive constantly for improvements in our working conditions, who protect us from big bad bosses and unsafe and unhealthy work practices.
Yeah, UNTIL they are the big bad bosses.
Now back to GPSC #2, how many of YOU put in submissions? So few in fact that Roachford told the media that it was only a FEW dissenters who complained about his bright new plans for the Service!
You all had your chance and you blew it AGAIN! (Too fucking lazy).
Some things never change, you lot are as weak as piss in HSU and will be the same in the new Association. You expect EVERYONE else to load AND shoot the gun for YOU. If things don’t go right you blame EVERYONE but YOURSELVES.
Take the latest “strike” did ANY of you REALLY push the matter, no you left it to others, and many of your delegates, who keep getting elected year after year, are (by human nature) feathering their own nests, but you (through your absence at AGM’s) allow this to happen, year after year. THEN you have the hide to complain that you aren't being represented!
Meanwhile the ALP, who couldn’t give a rat’s ass for you and OUR precious conditions and wages manage to increase the numbers of bureaucrats in NSW Health by 64% over the last decade. Then they have the hide to tell us that there just isn’t any money to pay us professional rates or even give us a reasonable increase. At the same time they rip out our conditions one after the other to save money to pay for the 'crats.
EVERY single one of us needs to make a decision. That decision, wether it’s through HSU or the new Association is simple, draw a line in the sand and stick by it NO MATTER WHAT!
NO compromise, NO negotiation, NO retreat. Now I know I am up for it, but I’ll bet my last call off that YOU sorry lot WON’T be!
If any of you are still in HSU then go tell your delegate that you are putting the bans on and they fucking well STAY on until these Labor assholes come to the negotiating table WITH THEIR CHEQUE BOOK AND A PEN!
AND if the IRC dares to put ANY penalties against HSU, delegates or individual Paramedics, we are ALL OUT. That's A L L (as in even YOU).
It will be the same deal for the new Association, the IRC isn’t going to do ANYTHING for us until we are united (God how many on this site have said that).
Why do you think that the “marathon” meeting with the IRC went till midnight??? It was simply because the useless ALP Government shit itself about hospitals being stacked to the rafters and NO WAY OUT!
WE have the REAL power to bring them to their knees and they know it, BUT you all chicken out or blame HSU!
So the IRC put a ban on us for 3 months (well they DO work for the government), so fucking what! Tell ‘em to stick it up their collective judicial asses!
The IRC is so out of touch with us ambos and our work and conditions that they have become an anachronism.
Face it, the new Association (and I wish them the best of luck negotiating for you wimps) cannot do anything AT THE MOMENT. Once lost, conditions rarely EVER come back. The fight is NOW!!!!
And take rescue. Della Bosca says he has to abide by the INDEPENDENT umpire. Who believes that shit (the public maybe, but what do they care, most of them like shiny red fire engines anyway).
Now if you didn’t know, Old Crazy Eyes and Flight Attendant Willis sold us out, they GAVE rescue away. Yes people they GAVE it away. And what did many of you sad fucks do? Fucking cheered because the “lazy” rescue crews sat on their ass all day. So much for a united front. If you didn’t like rescue all you had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP!! One loose and everything else goes to.
All Della has to do is go tell the (yet another) emergency services minister to overrule the rescue board’s decision. THAT SIMPLE, but the useless bastard hides behind the NSWSRB’s skirts. Who had high hopes for this mutt after Reba left?? NOT me!!!
Now fuck off and go on strike or something, or do something else that will further our cause. DO IT NOW! There is no use waiting for the “Workers Party” to help you. And for fucks sake GROW SOME BALLS!!!
So what 'ya gunna do? I know, write a furious reply on this blog, that'll show 'em!!
Yeah give us hell labour voter (not).
point out our foibles, let us all know what we're doing wrong, point us in the right direction.
I aspire to be you oh wise sage, stater of the bleeding obvious, show us no mercy, you know we deserve it and we are a much lower life form than you.
dear annymous @ 1354 hrs 20 Feb
So what 'ya gunna do? I know, write a furious reply on this blog, that'll show 'em!!
Yup you showed 'em
L.V.(not)
come on where's the love, I mean no disrespect, you're obviously an incredibly wise man (or perhaps woman) who knows the ways of the world and it's just super the way you can let us know you are so superior to the rest of us. No fury here just unbridled admiration.
signed
your number 1 fan.
lv not, you got it, thats for sure, imagine if hsu got 3000 emails from members tell them to ignore the irc, the fuckers where to busy whinging
lv not, you got it, thats for sure, imagine if hsu got 3000 emails from members tell them to ignore the irc, the fuckers where to busy whinging
You idiot !!!
The fucking HSU could get 3,000 000 000 000 000 000 emails and it still would not make any bloody difference.
THEY ARE BENT ! CROOKED ! CORRUPT !! ETC. ETC. FOR THE LAST TIME THEY DO NOT, HAVE NOT AND NEVER WILL REPRESENT THE REAL AMBOS.
Get you little heads around that fact for the last time and then unite with the new assocation !
But I do agree with one thing ... we must strike !
like the school bully, they dont understand reason, they dont understand pleeding and they sure as hell dont understand or care what you are feeling..... the only thing i have ever seen these type of people understand or respond to is absolute defiance and ultimate force !
Every single ambo i know, is just itching to go out on the grass, we just need someone to give the word.
I hope and i believe that it is coming really soon.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,log onto "www.paramedicsnsw.org.au"
Throw your support behind an Association that will look after Ambos.
All I'm Asking for is 1 day.
Call it "IN Disgust Day"
Pick a Date and EVERYONE has a sickie and NO ONE does overtime.
Do you think we would be able to unit for 1 day?
No one would be sacked.
I say 27th Feb. is a good day.
Anyone with me?
Didn't think so.
Fucken soft cock wankers, keep whinging though because thats what you all do best.
I like it.
It would give the service an idea of what a strike would do.
As you said though you won't get many takers.
I am in though I will not be at work on the 27th feb
Labour Voter (Not),
Let’s stick together, grow some balls, show up at meetings and unite blah, blah, blah. We have all heard all that rhetoric before.
ASNSW uniformed management are persuasively involved with HSU. It’s all the talk just about everywhere at the moment.
The way ahead is the new association brother. Even if the new association allows uniformed management to join, it will take years for them to impregnate it with their corrupt old boys networks.
THE WAY AHEAD TO AN HONEST AND TRANSPARENT ASSOCIATION IS HERE:
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
AN ASSOCIATION CREATED FOR AND BY AMBOS
IT’S TIME TO KICK MANAGEMENT OUT OF OUR UNION
“POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT, ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY”
SPIDER
Im not coming in on the 27th either.... and im going to make sure my parter takes the day off too !
comes on guys who else is in for a show ?
I'm In Brother.
It will be good therapy to me knowing I have caused the service at leat Half the stress they have caused me.
No show 27th
I don’t think that taking the 27th off will achieve anything. It may feel good at the time but won’t result in anything positive for ambos.
I guess if reported in the media some of the community might even perceive it to be unprofessional conduct.
Join and support the new association now so we can finally achieve fair and impartial representation. Constructive and transparent discussions that supports both sides based on trust and integrity.
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
www.paramedicsnsw.org.au
SPIDER
Dear Spider:
RE: Constructive and transparent discussions that supports both sides based on trust and integrity.
So by joining the new Association we achieve Nirvana do we?
Greg, Mick, Della, Rees, the IRC and the ALP will all suddenly become trustworthy and fairly ooze integrity?
Hasn't happened yet son. Never will.
What kind of hearing do you think the new Association will get when dealing with the Labor Party. Their very existence is anathema to the entire union movement. I mean how DARE they try to represent workers in Australia!!
We all know that that is a job for the Labor Party, who's sacred oath is to defend the rights and conditions of Australian Workers.
Not some trumped up, upstart group of novices!!!
I mean what if this idea were to catch on????
Where would the ALP get it's funds? Oh, sorry, I forgot, they get most of their cash under the table from developers.
But still who would then have enough cash to stand against the evil Liberal Party, those capitalists who have balanced books and who create jobs and generally clean up the mess that Labor made (AND give the union movement a reason to exist (to sign up workers to get money to put Labor back in power ASAP)).
To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, who said only a fool could expect different results while conducting the same experiment:
If you have a broken foot, you don't just change shoes, you do SOMETHING to fix the problem FIRST.
While we have a Labor controlled government, health system, industrial commission, rescue board, we will NEVER, EVER get a fair shake at the negotiating table.
UNLESS we show these sad political hacks just who has the power in NSW.
The old commando motto comes to mind: Strike Swiftly (and OFTEN till we get what we want), or of course the more famous one: Who DARES wins.
But remember DON'T take a sickie on the 27th Greg and, of course you Spider wouldn't like it.
I love your reason though: if reported in the media some of the community might even perceive it to be unprofessional conduct.
Well sunshine they don't give a flying fuck about us, why should we give a fuck about appearing unprofessional. Besides the media will waddle off to the next sensational story in 2 minutes(ricky ponting with a broken finger, paris hilton in another scandal, etc)and forget us until the next time we do something memorable, which is never.
Labour Voter (Not)
As I suspected many blogs before you are either a uniformed manager or HSU diehard that perceives HSU as some sort of religion.
There is no “fixing” the problem as the situation stands at the moment. Unless uniformed management suddenly withdraws from the HSU, our union right?, this new association will go ahead. It probably will anyway.
Ambos are not stupid, most now know something dodgey is going on, I’ve known it for years. The old boys club is about to met it’s end.
Withdraw management from our union now before HSU loses any credibility it has left. It’s only a matter of time before the media picks up on this.
Hundreds and hundreds of ambos declaring their union is a sham and corrupt will have an impact, don’t be that naive to believe it won’t.
Remember brother, we are the most trusted profession.
You have been warned!
SPIDER
Told ya, already soft cocks like spider not willing to have a day off.
This is your chance to grass it with out it being industrial action.
You do not have to seek permission off that corrupt hsu to do it.
You deserve 1 day to feel good about yourself.
give the service a taste of what they will be dealing with once we are united with the new association.
I feel it will go the other way.
the public and the government will want heads to role in the service for it.
Dig deep and fucken do it.
A strike was our last chance at the mass meeting and we blew it.
This is your very last chance to make the service suffer.
Make them suffer for trying to sell you a 16 week 4 off roster that robs you, when they told the IRC it would be 4 on 5 off.
Make them suffer for taking our meal penalties away that proped up a piss poor wage.
Make them suffer for the way the went about rescue.
Make them suffer for the future troubles they will cause the rural ambo's now the think they have divided us.
Make them suffer one day, because they will make you suffer for the other 364.
Take the 27th off
I'm in.
Me and my partner will not be showing on the 27th.
Petty as it is I am inticipating great satisfaction from doing it.
I am to understand that on the 27th the meals go but up the coast we will not have the new roster.
Do they expect us to be available during our 1 hour unpaid meal break or will they be paying us for all hours worked that day with a 30min crib break?
If it's still the 1 hour unpaid meal break you would have to have rocks in your head not to go off station.
I won't be in on the 27th either.
FUCK EM
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